markopoleo
join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO | ROFL
“As a matter of fact, ham radio people are often the first to adopt new technology and enjoy playing with it,"
Says the retired ww1 vet who just got around to unpacking his new ham radio his parents got him on his birthday. |
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K4GVT
join:2006-01-24
Manassas, VA | Obviously there are people that don't understand. For those, there is BPL, "a flawed technology" with limited potential for the user and unlimited degradation for all others. "GO FIBER!" |
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
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said by markopoleo  :“As a matter of fact, ham radio people are often the first to adopt new technology and enjoy playing with it," Says the retired ww1 vet who just got around to unpacking his new ham radio his parents got him on his birthday. [SARCASM]Nice analogy[/SARCASM]
I was doing e-mail, FTP and TELNET with TCP/IP over 2 Meter packet radio in 1990. What were you doing?
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rf_engineer
join:2003-08-04
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said by markopoleo :“As a matter of fact, ham radio people are often the first to adopt new technology and enjoy playing with it," Says the retired ww1 vet who just got around to unpacking his new ham radio his parents got him on his birthday. Says the troll who is great at making cheap potshots based on untrue stereotypes, and has never had the time or inclination to back his previous statements about DC power grids being better for BPL, or even shown where DC power grids exist. |
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Tzale
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said by markopoleo :“As a matter of fact, ham radio people are often the first to adopt new technology and enjoy playing with it," Says the retired ww1 vet who just got around to unpacking his new ham radio his parents got him on his birthday. You don't know shit about ham radio. I am a very big technology tech and I just got my ham radio license on March 3rd. You seriously don't know anything about ham radio if all you think it is about is "ragchewing" (talking) on a radio. PSK31 operations, Meteor Scatter, Satellite Operations, Echolink Internet Repeaters, Autopatch links, Packet Radio using TCP/IP (early form of internet) etc etc.
Seriously, you people need to get off your thrown. You don't realize how much ham radio has advanced into the twenty first century. People come on here and bash it, but they know nothing. It is NOT "CB" radio, it's HAM radio. You can't even compare the two.
Do me a favor and learn something.
Ham Radio has saved many lives and has helped in countless community service projects EVERYDAY for FREE.
-Tzale
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Tzale
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said by n2jtx :said by markopoleo :“As a matter of fact, ham radio people are often the first to adopt new technology and enjoy playing with it," Says the retired ww1 vet who just got around to unpacking his new ham radio his parents got him on his birthday. [SARCASM]Nice analogy[/SARCASM] I was doing e-mail, FTP and TELNET with TCP/IP over 2 Meter packet radio in 1990. What were you doing? EXACTLY!
These people don't realize how much Ham Radio is intertwined with really modern technology. They think Ham Radio is just CB radio with old pompous old guys who feel special that they are "licensed." It ain't nothing like CB radio and a lot of those old guys REALLY earned their licenses. Making a contact with someone in Saudi Arabia via the internet is easy, making that contact with NO wires your OWN radio station is far different. That is what people don't realize, it's not just for the "talk" but also for the "challenge" to connect two points. Digital Modes, Analog Modes, Echolink, Earth-Moon-Earth, Satellite Operations, Meteor Scatter (bouncing signals off an incoming meteorites ionized trail) etc...
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kv5e
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said by rf_engineer :said by markopoleo :“As a matter of fact, ham radio people are often the first to adopt new technology and enjoy playing with it," Says the retired ww1 vet who just got around to unpacking his new ham radio his parents got him on his birthday. Says the troll who is great at making cheap potshots based on untrue stereotypes, and has never had the time or inclination to back his previous statements about DC power grids being better for BPL, or even shown where DC power grids exist. I really don't want to be a narcissitic source supply for a troll, but it looks like our *intrepid explorer* has let his alligator mouth overload his hummingbird @$$ yet again . . . .  :D:D |
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Go Hams
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SARCASM ON
Um, that would be, "Says the retired ww1 vet who just got around to unpacking his new ham radio his parents BUILT for him on his birthday."
SARCASM OFF
Turnkey rigs didn't exist in that era. |
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spicerun
join:2001-03-21
Southlake, TX
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Re: ROFLBQUOTE=[user=Tzale]][bquote]
said by uid://794284
said by Tzale :You don't know shit about ham radio. I am a very big technology tech and I just got my ham radio license on March 3rd. You seriously don't know anything about ham radio if all you think it is about is "ragchewing" (talking) on a radio. PSK31 operations, Meteor Scatter, Satellite Operations, Echolink Internet Repeaters, Autopatch links, Packet Radio using TCP/IP (early form of internet) etc etc. And any other technology in broadband and computer (TCP/IP not withstanding) isn't true technology. Is that what I understand you ranting in your chest thumphing exercise here?
said by Tzale :Seriously, you people need to get off your thrown. You don't realize how much ham radio has advanced into the twenty first century. People come on here and bash it, but they know nothing. It is NOT "CB" radio, it's HAM radio. You can't even compare the two. That's good advice. Why DON'T YOU TAKE IT???
It's a shame a lot of you HAMs just don't get it. It isn't people are bashing your hobby or technological prowess. It is your sucky ATTITUDE towards the public that isn't into HAM Radio that draws the insults and general bashing.
In case you hadn't noticed, you HAMs have an image problem with the rest of the world at large. Right now, you guys come across as a bunch of guys who are gleefully doing your best to deprive everyone else the use of technology you enjoy by helping to keep it inaccessible. And rants like the one above doesn't help.
said by Tzale :Do me a favor and learn something. Do us all a favor and learn how to deal with the non-HAM public. It might be more educational than your ranting.
said by Tzale :Ham Radio has saved many lives and has helped in countless community service projects EVERYDAY for FREE. And in between time, HAMs oppose the ways the Public might obtain services that they won't otherwise be able to get. And, by the way, just rattling off little solutions like 'FIOS or Fiber' just makes you look petty. I'm sure it makes you feel better to point to and say that's an alternative to BPL, but it makes you look ignorant when you suggest that to people who live in areas where there is not even a hint of hope that any company will ever deploy any of these 'mentioned' alternatives to those areas due to economics. You HAMs know better, and the public knows better.
You claimed that HAMS have "helped in countless community service projects EVERYDAY for FREE". So why don't you guys set up a Wireless broadband system avaialable for everybody in the community, or at least help lobby the FCC to make some of the spectrum available to regular citizens for such a service? That would help the public more than to continually bash them for finding a way to get services in places that commercial companies won't even touch. Oh, word to wise, comments, such as ones I've heard earlier, about "Why should I have to do that?" won't earn you much respect among the public.
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markopoleo
join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO
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Re: ROFL
said by n2jtx :said by markopoleo :“As a matter of fact, ham radio people are often the first to adopt new technology and enjoy playing with it," Says the retired ww1 vet who just got around to unpacking his new ham radio his parents got him on his birthday. [SARCASM]Nice analogy[/SARCASM] I was doing e-mail, FTP and TELNET with TCP/IP over 2 Meter packet radio in 1990. What were you doing? The same thing, i was hitting up BBS to play Legend of the Red Dragon. browseing Gopher on my 14.4 dialup modem. Even then I would laugh if ham radio ops protested BBL if it was available.
HAM is set to die, just a matter of when. Every year it dies a little more..thank goodness. Ham had its place, but its not in the USA anymore. No HAM was needed at ANY natural disaster since 1989 before you pull the "but HAM saves lives" card. |
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Tzale
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Re: ROFLBQUOTE=[user=Tzale]][bquote]
said by spicerun :said by Tzale :You don't know shit about ham radio. I am a very big technology tech and I just got my ham radio license on March 3rd. You seriously don't know anything about ham radio if all you think it is about is "ragchewing" (talking) on a radio. PSK31 operations, Meteor Scatter, Satellite Operations, Echolink Internet Repeaters, Autopatch links, Packet Radio using TCP/IP (early form of internet) etc etc. And any other technology in broadband and computer (TCP/IP not withstanding) isn't true technology. Is that what I understand you ranting in your chest thumphing exercise here? said by Tzale :Seriously, you people need to get off your thrown. You don't realize how much ham radio has advanced into the twenty first century. People come on here and bash it, but they know nothing. It is NOT "CB" radio, it's HAM radio. You can't even compare the two. That's good advice. Why DON'T YOU TAKE IT??? It's a shame a lot of you HAMs just don't get it. It isn't people are bashing your hobby or technological prowess. It is your sucky ATTITUDE towards the public that isn't into HAM Radio that draws the insults and general bashing. In case you hadn't noticed, you HAMs have an image problem with the rest of the world at large. Right now, you guys come across as a bunch of guys who are gleefully doing your best to deprive everyone else the use of technology you enjoy by helping to keep it inaccessible. And rants like the one above doesn't help. said by Tzale :Do me a favor and learn something. Do us all a favor and learn how to deal with the non-HAM public. It might be more educational than your ranting. said by Tzale :Ham Radio has saved many lives and has helped in countless community service projects EVERYDAY for FREE. And in between time, HAMs oppose the ways the Public might obtain services that they won't otherwise be able to get. And, by the way, just rattling off little solutions like 'FIOS or Fiber' just makes you look petty. I'm sure it makes you feel better to point to and say that's an alternative to BPL, but it makes you look ignorant when you suggest that to people who live in areas where there is not even a hint of hope that any company will ever deploy any of these 'mentioned' alternatives to those areas due to economics. You HAMs know better, and the public knows better. You claimed that HAMS have "helped in countless community service projects EVERYDAY for FREE". So why don't you guys set up a Wireless broadband system avaialable for everybody in the community, or at least help lobby the FCC to make some of the spectrum available to regular citizens for such a service? That would help the public more than to continually bash them for finding a way to get services in places that commercial companies won't even touch. Oh, word to wise, comments, such as ones I've heard earlier, about "Why should I have to do that?" won't earn you much respect among the public. Listen, I was PART of the non-ham public for YEARS before deciding to become part of it this past month.
BPL is USELESS compared to fiber and other technologies! BPL IS ONLY GOOD FOR TODAY NOT TOMORROW! Why BOTHER? Most electrical lines at least in my part of town are in really shitty condition, I doubt BPL would do any good! BPL would mess up other services too! Not just Ham Radio!
And I don't think hams have a bad image problem. Maybe to the few on here, but most see hams in a positive light.
We already have won the respect of the public. Many states offer "Amateur Radio" license plates and other things that put us in the "public light" as positive (such as firefighter plates, cops, doctors, etc). You can become part of it too. This isn't a "prestigious group." We're not being "pompous." Ham Radio is a hobby for people who love electronics and want to have fun doing experiments using the radio spectrum. Many hams have been using computers for decades, long before the public became "interested" in them.
I don't know if you know this, but many belong to emergency coordination groups. You might be surprised to know this but Amateur Radio is classified as a SERVICE not a HOBBY by the FCC. What does this mean? It means the FCC uses us as a service to the general public. Many local and state emergency response agencies are filled with amateur radio operators.
I think you are the one being ignorant. I am a strong supporter of broadband. I love computers and technology and Amateur Radio happens to be a facet of that. I'm by far no where near an expert at Amateur Radio, being less than one month licensed and only holding a Radio Technician license (soon to upgrade) but I feel I know enough now to see why hams are pissed off. This isn't a piss hobby, many hams have thousands of dollars in equipment setup and the entire network with repeaters took countless thousands of hours to setup.
The problem with people today is that everyone thinks a telephone (cell phones!) or the internet are "reliable." By far, they are not. If the landline system goes down, cell phones become swamped and become useless. This is what happened on the East Coast on 9/11 and when half the East Coast and Canada had the blackout in 2003. Ham Radio was heavily used with many hams standing on the streets relaying messages for people using local autopatch systems which effectively sent messages out to repeaters outside the area which relayed the voice communications onto the public phone network.
Amateur Radio operators CAN NOT setup a "wireless broadband network." We are only licensed to work on the spectrum as LICENSED non-commercial operators. That means we can't profit off anything and we are not allowed to setup something for the general public to use UNLESS it has a control operator monitoring it. Much ham radio technology is used daily with cell phones, but the way cell phones are setup by companies (fixed based and only low capacity) they don't work well in emergencies.
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RayW
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said by markopoleo :HAM is set to die, just a matter of when. Every year it dies a little more..thank goodness. Ham had its place, but its not in the USA anymore. No HAM was needed at ANY natural disaster since 1989 before you pull the "but HAM saves lives" card. I would recommend that you get involved in your community volunteer emergency response system, but it does not appear as if your town has one.
Item: Salt Lake Tornado (yes it happened, September 1999) POTs and cell phones down due to volume, city radio infrastructure damaged, Hams were the main link to get ambulances and other emergency vehicles into the area and pass emergency traffic until the 'modern' structure could be restored.
There are more examples, but no point in telling you them since you appear to have the mind set that what many people see as an important infrastructure tool, just gets in your way. But then, many communities are adding ham radios to their EOCs (Emergency Operations Center), and in our area, that is based on Florida and Mississippi experiences in the last round of hurricanes. A waste of money? Or people who know something you do not?
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KB2PSM
join:2002-08-06
Long Beach, NY
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markopoleo...again, you are full of opinion and emotion and lack any real substance in your debate. Of course, in the many dozens of posts you made, in which anyone offered a concise response, you have never EVER returned the favor with facts to substantiate your position. You are a pot-banger is all.
If you even casually paid attention to any of the details or were willing enough to learn about your "opponents", you would have seen how vapid and wasteful your post was.
Come on back and bring some real issues to the floor.
Oh yeah, a horse doesn't change their spots, and neither does marcopoleo!
Rob
said by markopoleo :“As a matter of fact, ham radio people are often the first to adopt new technology and enjoy playing with it," Says the retired ww1 vet who just got around to unpacking his new ham radio his parents got him on his birthday. |
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KB2PSM
join:2002-08-06
Long Beach, NY
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TROLL ALERT!!!
markopoleo obviously read my several, direct and specific responses about my personal experiences to counter his claim- my being asked to provide emergency comms to major (including government) agencies after 9/11 AT GROUND ZERO. But, markopoleo is all about standing there with hands over his eyes, corks in his ears and saying, "nah nah nah nah" at the top of his lungs.
(Some great info, but I won't repeat it, so one can search for my past posts on the subject)
I am all for honest debate, but markopoleo isn't honest, just myopic.
Oh wait...did 9/11 happen before 1989 as marcopoleo presents???
Nope!
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rf_engineer
join:2003-08-04
USA
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said by markopoleo :said by n2jtx :said by markopoleo :“As a matter of fact, ham radio people are often the first to adopt new technology and enjoy playing with it," Says the retired ww1 vet who just got around to unpacking his new ham radio his parents got him on his birthday. [SARCASM]Nice analogy[/SARCASM] I was doing e-mail, FTP and TELNET with TCP/IP over 2 Meter packet radio in 1990. What were you doing? The same thing, i was hitting up BBS to play Legend of the Red Dragon. browseing Gopher on my 14.4 dialup modem. Even then I would laugh if ham radio ops protested BBL if it was available. HAM is set to die, just a matter of when. Every year it dies a little more..thank goodness. Ham had its place, but its not in the USA anymore. No HAM was needed at ANY natural disaster since 1989 before you pull the "but HAM saves lives" card. Even if ham radio never assisted in an emergency situation again, it would continue to have value. Internationally, it enables people to learn about radio communications and electrical/radio frequency engineering.
You're not making much sense and seem to be confused. Hams aren't Luddites...the core of the hobby is technology, both old and new. Per capita, you'll find more hams that have broadband than the general public. Hams would have opposed BPL back in the BBS days, too, and ironically it would have had more of a chance then. BPL won't keep up with future bandwidth demands and cable and DSL continue to grow while BPL is still back at the starting gate.
How does attacking ham radio further your interests in BPL? Even if your wish for the demise of ham radio came true, it wouldn't eliminate BPL's interference problems, it would just eliminate one of its potential interference victims. |
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KB2PSM
join:2002-08-06
Long Beach, NY
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Re: ROFLBQUOTE=[user=Tzale]][bquote]said by uid://794284
In case you haven't noticed, hams are NOT against broadband but have legitimate complaints about the shoddy and polluting technology that is being pushed as the gift of the century in Manassas. Interestingly, all of that massive potential to pollute the HF bands (used by far more agencies than just ARRL supporters), is only a BYPRODUCT of BPL, and is not necessary for BPL to work, only physically unavoidable as it passes along power lines that were never designed to be broadband pipes.
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rf_engineer
join:2003-08-04
USA
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said by spicerun :It's a shame a lot of you HAMs just don't get it. It isn't people are bashing your hobby or technological prowess. It is your sucky ATTITUDE towards the public that isn't into HAM Radio that draws the insults and general bashing. In case you hadn't noticed, you HAMs have an image problem with the rest of the world at large. Right now, you guys come across as a bunch of guys who are gleefully doing your best to deprive everyone else the use of technology you enjoy by helping to keep it inaccessible. And rants like the one above doesn't help. Only if your entire world is Broadband Reports. The image problem seems to be confined to those who want broadband at any cost and think BPL is the solution to all broadband problems, and BPL proponents talking to reporters. Most of the world doesn't know about BPL or BPL interference issues. If you think ham radio is denying the world of BPL, you need to look at the situation more closely. Technology issues, power utility inertia, physics, and competition are doing more to deny you of BPL than ham radio. |
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Surfinusa
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Re: ROFL
Hmmm.... what was I doing in '90? Studying for my Ham exam but never took it. Morse bored me. But I enjoyed the idea of communication bypassing the phone company. |
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Michieru2
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No form of communication is useless, if one way fails there are those other old and new methods to go back on. Communication is a major part of our lives and without it, we would not be able to do the things we do now. Radios, HAM, and other forms of communications even to the telegraph shall always have some value even after the many year's it's been through. |
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Luppy
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Randolph, MA
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said by markopoleo
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HAM is set to die, just a matter of when. Every year it dies a little more..thank goodness. Ham had its place, but its not in the USA anymore. No HAM was needed at ANY natural disaster since 1989 before you pull the "but HAM saves lives" card.
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