bogey780
join:2004-03-19
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Re: More BS from BS
'Verizon Wireless offers EVDO service in New Orleans. Again, it's using infrastructure they built. And yet BellSouth isn't going after Verizon... yet. Why is that? What's the difference here?'
Because Verizon is a business and New Orleans is the gov't. Something about unfair competition. |
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scaredpoet
join:2001-03-26
Monmouth Junction, NJ
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You're still comparing apples to oranges.
In your cable analogy, you're stealing cable because you are licensed to use the service for one household, and not share or resell it to other households. The cable company built the infrastructure and supplies the service, not you.
IF you built your own network, supplied your own infrastructure and backhaul, and signed all of the necessary deals with the networks providing content, then you could conceivably do what you like with it, including sharing the heck you wanted, and your cable company can't accuse you of promulgating theft of cable service. Assuming of course, the cable company doesn't decide that you're infringing on their monopoly and should not be allowed to compete with them, in which case they might lobby (if they haven't already) for exclusive franchise agreements.
New Orleans built their own wireless infrastructure, not BellSouth. They erected the hardware, negotiated the backhaul with an upstream provider, set up the infrastructure. They are a sharing a resource *they* created, not BellSouth. And yet, BellSouth feels that their near-monopoly control should not be challenged. it's not about theft of service; it's about BellSouth being able to control who makes their resources available in an area where the resources are scarce, and artifically keeping those resources as scarce as possible so that BellSouth can inflate the cost to consumers, and the resulting profit.
New orleans is not preventing BellSouth from offering their own service. If BellSouth wanted to set up their own WiFi access points and let people use them, I'm sure the city of New Orleans would do nothing to stop them.
What business is it of BellSouth's what the city does with the resources they've built of their own accord, and under what basis does this law they've lobbied for prevent theft?
Verizon Wireless offers EVDO service in New Orleans. Again, it's using infrastructure they built. And yet BellSouth isn't going after Verizon... yet. Why is that? What's the difference here? |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | reply to BuriedCaesar
And the city is violating the law. Not to mention doing somethign they're not authorized by the charter to do. |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | reply to emptywig
Ok, point to me where a vote was taken? |
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BuriedCaesar
It's Not Polite To Stare.
join:2004-03-27
Richardson, TX
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said by bogey780  : I'm just sharing it with the community. Okay - so you say you'd not be stealing the cable service, rather "sharing it with the community". Interesting notion.
I suspect that by doing that you'd be violating several of the terms of the contract you signed with the cable company when you agreed to accept installation of that service at your location and pay that bill, and in a variety of ways, too. That's where the fine print of that contract stomps through your front door and announces the illegality of what you've been doing...and they wouldn't care one whit as to how benevolent your intent was with your neighbors.
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That was preposterous! Utter Nonsense! Totally unsupportable drivel! You can't be serious!....Um, what did you say? |
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CapinPete
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join:2002-12-23
Loxahatchee, FL
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said by bogey780 :I'm not stealing their product. I'd be paying the bill for it. I'm just sharing it with the community. What authority does the city have to offer internet services? Are you serious? If you were a Bellsouth subscriber and tried to share your connection with everyone, I am pretty sure that would be against their terms of service.
You are comparing apples to oranges. If you wanted to lease your own dedicated line, like a T1 etc, then you could share it with anyone you wanted to.
Bellsouth wants to prevent muni's from being able to do things like this. I don't know how they get away with this garbage but basically it just ensures that they will have that much less competition. |
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emptywig
Huh? What?
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join:2002-08-05
Pasadena, TX | reply to bogey780
Since when does ANYONE need authority to offer interent services? What sort of question is that? |
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emptywig
Huh? What?
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join:2002-08-05
Pasadena, TX
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What authority prevents them? What authority gives them the right to build roads? To pick up trash? To tax property and educate your children. Its called "the vote." Citizens vote and give the city the authority to do things on their behalf.
What gives BellSouth the authority to short-cicuit the will of the voting public? No one voted for them.
And you are providing the means for your neighbors to steal the cable co's content, you know it, you're doing it willfully. That's illegal.
As far as I know, the city isn't stealing anything. |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | reply to emptywig
I'm not stealing their product. I'd be paying the bill for it. I'm just sharing it with the community.
What authority does the city have to offer internet services? |
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emptywig
Huh? What?
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join:2002-08-05
Pasadena, TX
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Because you'd be stealing the cable co's product. I don't see how NO building its own network is comparable to stealing cable service. I'm pretty sure they're paying for the connections to the net. They're just not paying BellSouth, and BS is mad. Whah!
Your analogy is completely wrong. |
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