NY Tel
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join:2004-04-09
Smithtown, NY
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| reply to crying morons
Re: Interesting idea but....
said by crying morons :
It clearly states in most broadband TOS that it is a "BEST EFFORT" service. If you are too stupid to understand that, you DO NOT deserve to have broadband. Most companies do their best to provide you with the best possible speeds. If you would like a guaranteed bandwidth range and guaranteed 24/7 up time then you need to look at the ds1/ds3 arena. These are guaranteed lines and they cost what you would expect to pay for the service you will get from them. DSL/Cable/BPL- these services are made to be cheap- so don't b*tch when you don't get what your buddy gets who lives down the road. Granted if you have a line issue, it should be fixed. But just keep that in the back of your head a 1.544mb symmetric ds1 costs several hundred dollars a month most isps have 6.0mb asymmetric line for under 60 dollars. Think about that the next time you have something to whine about!
You make an excellent point but how many times do you see someone post: "my 14.95 a month DSL line has been down and Verizon is making me lose 10 thousand dollars a day" or "Comcast caused me to lose my business because users can't get to my web site or my email is down etc..."
Lose my business? Then get a business grade circuit that has an SLA with 5 nines so that your livelihood is not based on a single point of failure.
But whine they do....  |
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bignate
join:2005-12-05
Austin, TX
| reply to Jameson
the problem is that it is impossible to test for sure.. the web is one of those weakest link kind of things.
like for instance if you have 1.5m/384k dsl and your buddy has the same thing and you download from him you are going to get 384 at best. even though your down speed is 1.5, his upload is only 384, so you will get 384. and even less than that if he has any other applications taking up any bandwidth.
it works the same on the web, even though again you have 1.5m, the site you are going to may either not have that much bandwidth or have too many people using up that bandwidth at any given moment keeping you from achieving the 1.5 you are paying for.
throughput has both ends and everything in between to deal with. all we are buying is a speed from our houses to the internet portal... |
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CaptainObvious
@americainter.net | reply to Jameson
There is a reason we charge $49 bucks for BEST EFFORT 1.5 DSL and $425 for a T1 with an SLA. If your bandwidth is really that important to your job or what ever then come off the money and pay for it. |
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Minister
join:2002-01-02
Fleeting | reply to JTRockville
Right-O! |
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midconetcableuser
@midco.net | reply to ptrowski
i'm paying 29.95 a month for 8mb down and i'm getting 11mb down and 256 kb up ofcourse i have fiber to the yard and hub is only 100 feet from my house mobile home trailer trash with high speed internet. |
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MysticGogeta
The Robot Devil
Premium
join:2005-03-14
League City, TX
clubs: | reply to JTRockville
Fact is no one does unless you want to pay a ridiculous amount a month. |
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phattieg
join:2001-04-29
Winter Park, FL
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| reply to Jameson
Look, being ripped off is paying $600 - $1100 for a T1 at 1,500 up/1,500 down. If you have RESIDENTIAL service, then you have no say so, simply because you SHARE the pipe. Now, if your speed issues stay at an absolute crawl for 6 hours or more a day (like 1000kbps less during off peak hours for the majority of the day), and the symptoms do not get better within a week or two, then you have right to complain, especially if your ping times suffer, and you get packet loss. If you depend on internet as much as you depend on air, then get something that has a guarantee'd transfer rate, instead of something that is cheaper.. |
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Rob
In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA
Premium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
 ·Comcast
| reply to crying morons
said by crying morons :
It clearly states in most broadband TOS that it is a "BEST EFFORT" service. If you are too stupid to understand that, you DO NOT deserve to have broadband. Most companies do their best to provide you with the best possible speeds. If you would like a guaranteed bandwidth range and guaranteed 24/7 up time then you need to look at the ds1/ds3 arena. These are guaranteed lines and they cost what you would expect to pay for the service you will get from them. DSL/Cable/BPL- these services are made to be cheap- so don't b*tch when you don't get what your buddy gets who lives down the road. Granted if you have a line issue, it should be fixed. But just keep that in the back of your head a 1.544mb symmetric ds1 costs several hundred dollars a month most isps have 6.0mb asymmetric line for under 60 dollars. Think about that the next time you have something to whine about!
Actually all you need is a T1 with an SLA. No need for a ds1/ds3.
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| reply to Ummmyea
said by Ummmyea :
please refer to the TOS where it says speed is gauranteed.
And if you find it, please post it here.
if you want guarantees, buy a connection with a SLA e.g. a T1 line.
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| reply to Rob
said by Rob  :said by crying morons :
It clearly states in most broadband TOS that it is a "BEST EFFORT" service. If you are too stupid to understand that, you DO NOT deserve to have broadband. Most companies do their best to provide you with the best possible speeds. If you would like a guaranteed bandwidth range and guaranteed 24/7 up time then you need to look at the ds1/ds3 arena. These are guaranteed lines and they cost what you would expect to pay for the service you will get from them. DSL/Cable/BPL- these services are made to be cheap- so don't b*tch when you don't get what your buddy gets who lives down the road. Granted if you have a line issue, it should be fixed. But just keep that in the back of your head a 1.544mb symmetric ds1 costs several hundred dollars a month most isps have 6.0mb asymmetric line for under 60 dollars. Think about that the next time you have something to whine about!
Actually all you need is a T1 with an SLA. No need for a ds1/ds3. DS1 = T1, DS3 = T3. the acro's mean the same thing. theres a digital signal present for data.
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JTRockville
Data Ho
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join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD
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| reply to phattieg
said by phattieg :Look, being ripped off is paying $600 - $1100 for a T1 at 1,500 up/1,500 down. Absolutely. I'd pay no more than $450 for that. |
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MeanPeepsSuk
Premium
join:2004-11-21
Muddy Field
clubs: | reply to midconetcableuser
how awesome for you!
btw, you forgot to login and thumbs-up yourself, lol. |
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henrikv
join:2003-11-09
15317-3510
| reply to ptrowski
Here is a typical day on Adelphia in the Pittsbugh area:
7.10 AM
Download Speed: 6792 kbps (849 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 839 kbps (104.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
12.50 PM
Download Speed: 5301 kbps (662.6 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 834 kbps (104.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
4.30 PM
Download Speed: 4489 kbps (561.1 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 843 kbps (105.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
8.30 PM
Download Speed: 2298 kbps (287.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 844 kbps (105.5 KB/sec transfer rate)
I realize that the internet slows down during peak hours, but by 2/3 ??
or is the node I am on oversold? |
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MeanPeepsSuk
Premium
join:2004-11-21
Muddy Field
clubs:
| reply to ptrowski
said by ptrowski :Don't get me wrong, I think it is a good idea as I like to get what I pay for also. But would it ever happen? I doubt it. It won't happen as long as they advertise/commit to "up to".. and no one can really enforce anything else.
What would be nice is if the ISPs are made to supply the average actual speed people are getting (of course in fine print, lol). Cable has shared issues, but DSL should be more accurately defined and not 2/3 of what you pay for on your best day (slight exaggeration but you get the idea). As of now, any problems are written off with a quote of "up to" from the TOS.
Besides, no one here wants a speed test.. Investigating speed issues might shut down those "free" access points y'all fight so hard for. |
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80 percent
@telus.net
| reply to crying morons
I think they should be forced to offer at least 80% of the speeds advertised 80% of the time on 100% of the network.. If they can't do that then it's false advertising... You can't put ridiculous statments in the TOS and say it is actually enforcable....
If a company is too cheap to upgrade a congested area (they claim it's not going to relieve the problem) I think it's a joke. when I worked for Cogeco, that's all the engineers would keep saying.. "If we add more upstream and downstream frequencies by splitting the nodes, all that bw will be saturated the same night.."
I found it pathetic that they thought this was an acceptable answer to the problem..(basically do nothing but throttle) If you can't offer 80% of the speed during peak times, then you have a poorly designed/run network..(the caps are too high) |
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anonpronman
@optonline.net
| reply to nixen
"And, really, if someone buys 7Mbps service and they're getting 7Mbps to their CO or head end, then they're getting what they pay for."
Really Tom? Are we paying for Co or head end access?
No that's right we are not paying for either. We are paying for internet access.
Foolish Mortals |
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avantare
Go Tribe
join:2000-02-16
Farmington, MI | reply to Rob
T-1's are Federally regulated for speed and up-time. I am also going to assume everything bigger is as well.
Chuck
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pahuser
@comcast.net
 from:
Vvian Kalyss
| reply to dvd536
Before I rant, I do understand there may be times where speeds are perhaps a tad slower. I know why this happens, and can occasionally live with it. Having said that, I guarantee you this. If it becomes a problem, and I don't get the advertised speed, they will fix it. If it slows down, I guarantee you, I will call them again, and again, and again. I also guarantee you, that eventually, they will give me a refund (they've already done so). I can also guarantee you, that they will know I will switch to a provider that can give me adequate service, should their sub-par service continue.
So why do you select few get on some of these folks cases, accusing them of whining about it. You sound like a corporate crony. Good business practice is good business practice. Maybe they don't have to "guarantee anything" in their TOS. But I guarantee you this, if pathetic and continual sub-par service is what a company offers, then they cannot advertise speeds they cannot deliver, and they will not survive. |
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pahuser
@comcast.net
| reply to JTRockville
Accuse me of being overly literal, and comparing apples and oranges. But what if only 8 out of 10 of your cable channels came in at any given time. Sometimes 7 out of 10, 9 out of 10, 5 out of 10. You gonna keep paying for 10 out of 10 service. I guess there's no clause on the TV side of the house that says, you will get up to 100 channels, if you have, say cable internet. Oh, and for DSL users, on the voice side of the house, only 7 or 8 out of 10 of your calls will go through or stay connected, sometimes 5 or 6. But that's what you have to expect. You can't expect perfection here (hehehehe).
I find nothing wrong in holding these ISPs accountable for maintaining speeds at, or extremely close to what they advertise. Up to??? How much "up to" are you willing to give?? Y'all sound like a bunch of push overs. And, refunds are totally acceptable. I'm not going to pay for a service that doesn't meet my standard. |
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NY Tel
Premium
join:2004-04-09
Smithtown, NY
·VOIPo
| reply to 80 percent
said by 80 percent :
I think they should be forced to offer at least 80% of the speeds advertised 80% of the time on 100% of the network..
I found it pathetic that they thought this was an acceptable answer to the problem..(basically do nothing but throttle) If you can't offer 80% of the speed during peak times, then you have a poorly designed/run network..(the caps are too high)
Ahhhh perhaps yes but then the companies need to build the product using the bottoms up approach. Figure out the cost to engineer it, price it accordingly and then offer it in accordance with proper design.
This stuff does not just happen and get "productized" for free.
The problem is that people don't want to pay for quality. They want OC-192 bandwidth for 14.95 a month.
So your points are well taken but ALL of the carriers need to be careful of what the sell if they can't support it and make a decent margin on it to support it.
Am I alone in this view? |
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