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Re: Stopped by police- You can't photograph here...
Photography has been prohibited without permit on the PATH system for years. I discovered it was also not permitted on NJTransit property when I tried last year. The MTA permits it, but the subway cops may or may not be informed about the current rules. I don't know what Amtrak's rules are. It's certainly becoming a more hostile world for photographers.
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| said by tmpchaos  :Photography has been prohibited without permit on the PATH system for years. I discovered it was also not permitted on NJTransit property when I tried last year. The MTA permits it, but the subway cops may or may not be informed about the current rules. I don't know what Amtrak's rules are. It's certainly becoming a more hostile world for photographers. Twenty years ago I did some freelance work for New York State DOT so I was in and about Grand Central Station and drove up to Croton on Hudson where I got down on the AMTRAK and Metro North tracks to photograph workers. No credentials but nobody questioned my authority to be there.
Earlier this week I was shooting in Times Square when I was approached by a couple of cops near the recruiting center who wanted to know "if they could help me." There certainly are no laws against shooting in Times Square but New York's Finest certainly know how to encourage you to move on. |
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| said by tmpchaos :Did you ask if one would be kind enough to hold you camera bag? I know this sounds terrible but.. I'm tired of trying to charm my way through a shoot when I have every right to be there. I'd much rather save my charm for times when I need to overstep my bounds  |
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said by tmpchaos :Photography has been prohibited without permit on the PATH system for years. I discovered it was also not permitted on NJTransit property when I tried last year. The MTA permits it, but the subway cops may or may not be informed about the current rules. I don't know what Amtrak's rules are. It's certainly becoming a more hostile world for photographers. MTA doesn't permit it anymore. Those new rules they approved last year. One of them was no pictures.
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| said by HardwareGeek :said by tmpchaos :Photography has been prohibited without permit on the PATH system for years. I discovered it was also not permitted on NJTransit property when I tried last year. The MTA permits it, but the subway cops may or may not be informed about the current rules. I don't know what Amtrak's rules are. It's certainly becoming a more hostile world for photographers. MTA doesn't permit it anymore. Those new rules they approved last year. One of them was no pictures. is that actually legal? I mean the photo ban? |
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said by HardwareGeek :said by tmpchaos :Photography has been prohibited without permit on the PATH system for years. I discovered it was also not permitted on NJTransit property when I tried last year. The MTA permits it, but the subway cops may or may not be informed about the current rules. I don't know what Amtrak's rules are. It's certainly becoming a more hostile world for photographers. MTA doesn't permit it anymore. Those new rules they approved last year. One of them was no pictures. I knew that the MTA had proposed such a rule, but I thought it never made it. Is there any way to confirm this? |
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said by HardwareGeek :MTA doesn't permit it anymore. Those new rules they approved last year. One of them was no pictures. Including Times Square and Grand Central, and being a foreigner (Canadian), I must be in BIG trouble with the choice picts I've attached here!
The secret to not attracting attention and still getting the shot? Use a small digital P&S, turn off the flash and zoom out completly. This will allow you to shoot just about anywhere in surprisingly low light conditions.
It's true that security officials are extremely misguided on what constitutes a threat. As was mentioned, the P&S camera is the perfect terrorist tool. Along with general location shots, you could discreetly take a picture of a local map giving you all the strategic locations where you could conduct a terrorist attack.
It's funny. Photographing a police officer in most countries can get you in big trouble. But in Canada, try to get a picture of you and your family standing next to an RCMP officer in full dress uniform, and a few other officers may join in on the fun, one of them on a horse! 
For more picts and a complete report of my trip to NYC last summer, go to »www.milnoc.com/NYC . |
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said by richk_1957 :said by HardwareGeek :said by tmpchaos :Photography has been prohibited without permit on the PATH system for years. I discovered it was also not permitted on NJTransit property when I tried last year. The MTA permits it, but the subway cops may or may not be informed about the current rules. I don't know what Amtrak's rules are. It's certainly becoming a more hostile world for photographers. MTA doesn't permit it anymore. Those new rules they approved last year. One of them was no pictures. I knew that the MTA had proposed such a rule, but I thought it never made it. Is there any way to confirm this? The rule never became a reality but NYPD has been enforcing it anyway. NY1 has run several stories on this. |
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said by Stacy :said by tmpchaos :Did you ask if one would be kind enough to hold you camera bag? I know this sounds terrible but.. I'm tired of trying to charm my way through a shoot when I have every right to be there. I'd much rather save my charm for times when I need to overstep my bounds could have said something like "could ya move to the right? you're in my shot" 
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It's part of the posted rules and regulations of the PATH system. A short form is in every station, which I assume provides 'proper notification' as to the coditions of use of the service.
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| said by tmpchaos :It's part of the posted rules and regulations of the PATH system. A short form is in every station, which I assume provides 'proper notification' as to the coditions of use of the service. » panynj.gov/CommutingTravel/path/···ons.html Brainless, you are of course right, as we're the blacks regarding equal opportunity and women with the right to vote. Unfortunately they had to resort to matters other than the vote, no one will vote against this, as it is conceived to be of "national importance".
I took my daughter to the park today, she's three months old and was being pushed in her buggy by my wife. I went to take a photo and stopped, not because it was not a great shot, but because I was too concerned with people's children behind her!!! What the hell has happened that makes me NOT take a photo of my baby and wife, because of other people, assuming I'm some kind of monster! It's just a very sad reflection on life.
TMPCHAOS,
So I can't have a coffee either! fairly Draconian rules and regs there. I won't argue with them though as the transit police in most countries are pretty much untouchable! I know that in the UK, they have more power than the normal police in many instances. |
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said by vapochilled :said by tmpchaos :I won't argue with them though as the transit police in most countries are pretty much untouchable! I know that in the UK, they have more power than the normal police in many instances. They have pretty big guns on them at all times unlike the police. And all of this in D.C., forget other countries.  --
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Twenty years ago I did some freelance work for New York State DOT so I was in and about Grand Central Station....
Earlier this week I was shooting in Times Square when I was approached by a couple of cops near the recruiting center who wanted to know "if they could help me." There certainly are no laws against shooting in Times Square but New York's Finest certainly know how to encourage you to move on.
I've had no problems taking pictures inside Grand Central, but since 9/11, New Yorkers are positively paranoid about tourists taking pictures of almost anything but the Empire State Building or the Statue of Liberty. I can't tell you how many times I've been stopped in Manhattan, usually not by policemen, and asked what I was taking a picture of. And it's always something innocent; usually an architecturally interesting building or structure that seemed otherwise meaningless. Once I was even stopped after walking past a synagogue with a camera bag on my shoulder. I didn't have the camera out and I didn't notice it was a synagogue until someone from the synagogue followed me down the street and in effect told me to keep moving. I assured him I had no intention of taking a picture of his building, but I would handle that same situation differently today.
Funniest one: I went down to Alphabet City to take a picture of the Filth Mart, which at the time was partially owned by Drea De Matteo of The Sopranos (hoping I might catch a glimpse of her highness) and some very upset old guy came out of a nearby building across the street and asked me what I was taking pictures of.
I have taken a few innocent pictures in the subways, but I always make sure there are no police or subway employees around. |
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