Rob A
Same Old Jets
Premium
join:2005-01-17
Pompton Plains, NJ | Fios will win in the end
Fiber-Optics are the future and are unbeatable. Just give it time. |
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Rick
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
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| said by Rob A  :Fiber-Optics are the future and are unbeatable. Just give it time. You might very well be right. But the question is, do they have the time, not to mention the huge amounts of money necessary to do it?
When you look at the telco's package offerings now, what you've got is this.
If you want TV Service...you'd better be getting satellite.
If you want DSL..it just seems to be loaded with conditions for getting it. Contracts..distance from CO...
quality of the phone lines...slower speeds...
It all amounts to hoops and more hoops to jump thru.
I also think their landline business is under much more of a threat than they'd like to admit.
I know i don't have one anymore. I'm perfectly content now with my cell phones that i can take anywhere with me.
Cable co's are kicking their butts when it comes to speeds and they just keep getting faster and faster everyday.
Telco's ONLY bread and butter product..which is landline phone service is under an amazing threat from cells and now voip from the cable co's and it is MUCH easier for the cable co's to come after their business from that end versus the phone co's doing the reverse with cable.
Verizon DOES have the right idea with Fios...but where is it today?
It's a tiny dot on the horizon compared to what's out there and it's going to be amazingly expensive for them to roll out and service the numbers they have to to really compete.
And basically, they're even really the only telco who's even doing it.
All this does NOT add up to a rosey future for the telco industry.
Cable co's have the convenience..the speeds...the video..and now quickly are adding voip.
All at a price that's very attractive and viable for most consumers.
And they clearly are the first out of the gate by a mile with these package offerings and I think that any company with that much of a head start is going to be the clear winner in the end.
All telco's really have is the lower priced..lower speed dsl offerings.
And...this isn't to knock that or the customers with that, because it's surely better than the alternatives.
But..that's going to be the case for a long time for most of their customers and until the ones who are fortunate enough to get the fios get it in their areas.
But..how long will people wait?
If cable is right there ..right now for many of them...
i don't think that answer is they'll wait too long.
I'd be selling Telco stock if i owned any.
It's not going to be pretty.
~RRR
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ITALIAN926
join:2003-08-16
Stratford, CT
4 edits | Dude, do u understand that the telcom co's added more DSL internet subscribers than cable internet did last year? talk about the slower speeds and contracts all you want.. but the bottom line is the "slower speeds" are more than enough for todays average user. 768K is more than enough, not to mention the 1500 or 3000 which most get.
You think that all this has taken the telephone companies by surprise. ? I hate to tell u, but they knew about voIP way before it was even released. This is all part of a master plan by the FCC and PUC's of this country to establish and promote competition . Once enough people have switched over to voIP, this country will slap regulations all over it. Yes, VoIp lines will one day be taxed to death like landlines are.. and AT THAT POINT, people will stop leaving their landlines in droves. Why? because no matter how much the VoIP cheerleaders defend it, it is NOT as reliable as a traditional landline. I had a landline that did not lose service for 15 years ! How many people can say that for a VoIP line.. for even 2 or 3 years? For a few months? lol VoIP is only as reliable as your internet connection.. a landline has no such co-requisite.
I wont say the same for AT&T for I dont agree with their IPTV plans, but verizon invests billions of dollars every year in their cell network, DSL and now FiOS services. You think they actually lack revenue? IMO, this is where people should be investing because eventually they will have a video offering that will be superior to the cable co's. This company is not in trouble, they are correctly adapting to new competition.
You keep talking as if there will be one winner that knocks the other out. Both cable and the telecom companies will survive. In the end, they each will probably have a 49% share of the stake. I will give satellite 2% 
You keep rewriting the same post over and over. Get a grip. |
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Rick
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join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
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| said by ITALIAN926 :Dude, do u understand that the telcom co's added more DSL internet subscribers than cable internet did last year? talk about the slower speeds and contracts all you want.. but the bottom line is the "slower speeds" are more than enough for todays average user. 768K is more than enough, not to mention the 1500 or 3000 which most get. But dude, no I don't understand that the telecoms added more subs last year than cable co's did because i haven't seen those statistics other than in your post with no back up link to the data.
But even if they did, so what?
What really counts is their NUMBER of subs now versus whatever they added last year.
And how could they not add more subs with their somewhat misleading advertising that does nothing more than to state what the price is now and for a few months versus what people will ultimately pay?
That kind of a pricing scheme is NOT what builds a business for the long term. It's customers responding to a sale price for a few months and nothing more.
DSL providers and some customers like yourself will not respond to the real issue and that is what their REGULAR price will be versus what kind of very mediocre speeds you can expect for that service versus what cable provides.
DUDE...6MB and more service Versus 768k or 1500k for what REALLY amounts to a few dollars more per month AFTER the DSL providers smoke and mirrors strategy blows away is going to blow away the telco's business for good.
Customers and people in general are not stupid and when it comes time for that real comparison to happen..it's no comparison at all.
That is not to say that DSL providers couldn't have a viable product and strategy if their pricing were to REMAIN where it is for the mediocre speeds they generally deliver because there certainly is a market for those lower speeds as well.
But what we're talking about here is not that, but about what kind of REAL value there is for the product that's being delivered.
And, i'm very sorry to inform you but just one visit to almost every cable forum here on BBR will tell you the real story about the massive speed increases people on cable are experiencing.
And it's just not that way for DSL.
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ITALIAN926
join:2003-08-16
Stratford, CT
| Let me pick apart this BS LOL
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But dude, no I don't understand that the telecoms added more subs last year than cable co's did because i haven't seen those statistics other than in your post with no back up link to the data.
Not only did I read this in this forum, but in a few other places. Pay attention.
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But even if they did, so what?
What really counts is their NUMBER of subs now versus whatever they added last year.
Even if they did so what?? This means they will catch up if they continue to add more subscribers than cable.. use some common sense ! haha
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And how could they not add more subs with their somewhat misleading advertising that does nothing more than to state what the price is now and for a few months versus what people will ultimately pay?
... and what exactly do you say about most cable co. triple play packages that are $99 a month which ends up being $140 - $150 a month after the year is up ?? Hmmm.
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DUDE...6MB and more service Versus 768k or 1500k for what REALLY amounts to a few dollars more per month AFTER the DSL providers smoke and mirrors strategy blows away is going to blow away the telco's business for good.
Once again, youre missing the point. 768k is more than enough speed for the average consumer in this country. Think about it, there are STILL millions of dialup users out there.. because it serves its purpose to those users !.. Umm this is 56k we're talking about by the way. 
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Customers and people in general are not stupid and when it comes time for that real comparison to happen..it's no comparison at all.
Surely you must be joking. Yea, people on this board are aware of the differences in speeds and services. How about my grandfather.. your Aunt and my uncle? Hmm for them, the webpages load the same and emails go out just as fast for any of the broadband services.
Nice fightin with ya.  |
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ITALIAN926
join:2003-08-16
Stratford, CT | ITALIAN926 Vs. RoadRunner Rick
And the winner is....
ITALIAN926. By a mile.
Made myself laugh at that one  |
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