TheWiseGuy
Dog And Butterfly
Premium,MVM
join:2002-07-04
Yonkers, NY
| reply to grandpinaple
Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 7
said by grandpinaple  :Who got downgraded? StreetSpirit got downgraded several times early on, of course he was not capped when downgraded. Several other reports of downgrades were reported without them being capped. The evidence points to a bug, but who cares about that, it is a way for trolls to claim CV caps boost.
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WoodyLI
join:2003-04-10
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No one is whining here except the fanboys.
- I think pretty much everyone agrees that CV offers a great product for the price (Standard or Boost), is generally a top notch ISP and has every right to regulate their bandwidth use as they see fit. I don't think morality has anything to do with it.
- I think not everyone agrees that CV could do better in the area of making it clearer to their customers exactly what a cap is, how they can get it, how they can avoid it, and to quit treating you like some kind of criminal if you get one. This is my opinion that I'm sure is shared by some others. We could have avoided a lot of hassle with this.
- I think that everyone agrees that because no one has reported it, it's extremely unlikely at this time that you will get capped with a Boost config on your modem.
- I think everyone agrees that if you have a standard 15/2 service, you are still subject to capping for sustained uploads of more than about 30-45 minutes and must go through the annoying phone tag procedures with the so called "security department" at cablevision.
- I think everyone agrees that while the reasons are unclear, it's not uncommon for a boost subscriber to get automatically downgraded to standard 15/2 service without their knowledge and that if that happens, they are subject to the capping rules as read above.
- I know not everyone here understands what the generally accepted definition of a forum "troll" is. A good definition can be found at wikipedia: In Internet terminology, a troll is someone who intentionally posts derogatory or otherwise inflammatory messages about sensitive topics in an established online community such as an online discussion forum to bait users into responding.
- A "troll" is not: Someone who posts a message in response to another poster or to you and who expresses a personal opinion or describes and experience with genuine intentions that you either don't agree with or would prefer didn't happen because it may conflict with your idealistic perspective.
- I know that some people here don't think as consumers we have a right to express our personal opinions about the service, our experiences, or ideas. I suspect those same people might think we shouldn't have the right to speak out against our government or anybody else we may disagree with or partially disagree with. I say those people can go move to Communist China where they might be happier. Discontent is the foundation of dissent which is a catalyst for change, hopefully for the better.
- I think that if you are a descent, reasonable person and somebody says something that you disagree with, you should consider their comment with an open mind and offer your own opinion and possibly some facts you think they may be unaware of as a response without resorting to childish name calling and repetitive arguments based on an emotional reaction. |
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GeekNJ
Premium
join:2000-09-23
Waldwick, NJ
| said by WoodyLI :I think everyone agrees that while the reasons are unclear, it's not uncommon for a boost subscriber to get automatically downgraded to standard 15/2 service without their knowledge and that if that happens, they are subject to the capping rules as read above. I disagree. I think it is very uncommon that a few folks were somehow downgraded. I bet there hasn't even been 10 people in total that reported it here and a significant number of folks that have it and never had any issue.
I probably know the same number of folks on FIOS that supposedly got upgraded to 20/5 yet they were at 20/2 and needed to call support to get it corrected. Does that make it a common occurence for them too? I don't think so.
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WoodyLI
join:2003-04-10
2 edits | said by GeekNJ :I disagree. I think it is very uncommon that a few folks were somehow downgraded. I bet there hasn't even been 10 people in total that reported it here and a significant number of folks that have it and never had any issue. GeekNJ, You are disagreeing with my terminology at best. I said it wasn't uncommon without referring to any specific value. Fewer than ten in these forums is possible and offers a more substantial reference but it doesn't negate my point.
If you prefer I could simply state that some people in these forums have reportedly had their modem configs affected in this way. This is a factual response with no ambiguity.
I would point out that if you extrapolate the relationship of the number of forum members who have experienced their modem being reset to standard service after upgrading to boost with the actual number of CV Boost subscribers who don't contribute to these forums it is very likely to be a significant number of affected subscribers.
I say this with no implications or accusations. Simply observations.
As far as Verizon FIOS is concerned, I know nothing about that but it is interesting that a different company, with different people, and different equipment is having similar issues. CV and Verizon may be different but they would both experience the same difficulties in relation to bandwidth distribution among customers. I don't think it's unreasonable to suspect them of assuming many of their customers wouldn't notice such a reconfiguration. I'll bet if I walked into my office and asked everyone who subscribes to HSI either with OOL or FIOS that not one single person (except maybe our IT guy) would have any clue how to check their modem speeds or configuration despite the tools available on the ISP websites. |
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jaa
Premium,MVM
join:2000-06-13
 ·Optimum Online
 ·Vonage
| reply to WoodyLI
said by WoodyLI :I think everyone agrees that while the reasons are unclear, it's not uncommon for a boost subscriber to get automatically downgraded to standard 15/2 service without their knowledge and that if that happens, they are subject to the capping rules as read above. Why would you possibly think that? What do you base that on?
I'm another that disagrees with that statement. I think the opposite is true - it is extremely uncommon.. I base my opinion on the unscientific observations of posts in this forum.
- There have been two or three posts that I recall of this happening.
- I estimate there are over 100 boost subscribers that post here
- People are more likely to come here when they have problems
You can have your own opinion that it is "common", just as people are free to have the opinion that the holocaust did not occur and the US government brought down the WTC.
But please don't say we all agree. That is absolutely false. I don't think I have even one post from someone other than you that thinks this is "common".
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LostHost
join:2005-10-18 | reply to WoodyLI
- I think your post is too long.
- I think I'm a troll.
- I think this post will be deleted soon. |
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WoodyLI
join:2003-04-10 | reply to jaa
jaa, just read my response to Geek, It should apply to you too.
It's definitely a lot more than two or three.
You complain about people spreading misinformation so don't be hypocritical. |
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BLUNTED 1
join:2003-11-13
Floral Park, NY | well nobody knows for sure so lets just leave it at that until people actually complain about it. until then just hold your opinion to yourself unless you know it is a fact  |
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Iratesub
join:2007-05-05
Melville, NY
4 edits | reply to Lex Luthor
edit:
Going to edit my post to be a little more clear.
OOL is 15D 2U
OOL w/Boost 30D 5U
Technically speaking, the only cap occurs when you start to stress the network. A process happens, you're identified as an abuser, and the system restricts you.. There is no real hard cap, however.
BOOL - has it's own range of speeds but you can find info about that on the website.
took this from another post to give you an idea of what im talking about.
"I was capped on plain OOL. When I asked for BOOST, I was uncapped. I still got "the call" from tech.
The man on the other end of the phone was professional and so was I. In the end, I was told, that YES boost is monitored by the same system that plain OOL is monitored by for capping. Boost may give a "little" more room before getting capped, but it's capable also. The tech told me, that the key to not getting capped is to NOT leave a constant upload stream going. He used the word "burst" alot, like "we have no issues if you use your upload in bursts, but if you leave it going for long periods you risk getting capped, even with boost".
He also mentioned that it was a combination of the amount and length of time the upload is used. It supposedly stress their system too much. And you only get three caps, on the fourth one you get kicked off.
So far I use my upload at full speed for half hour, then stop, then wait an hour or so and do the cycle over. I upload more at full speed for a half hour than at a very low speed for a week. The tech said that all the cap tracking is done autonomously. I have uploaded gigs and gigs and haven't gotten capped (yet).
Hope this helped!" |
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jaa
Premium,MVM
join:2000-06-13
·Optimum Online
·Vonage
| reply to WoodyLI
said by WoodyLI :jaa, just read my response to Geek, It should apply to you too. It's definitely a lot more than two or three. You complain about people spreading misinformation so don't be hypocritical. I think it is two or three - possibly four. Certainly not enough to call "many" or "common".
You are one. Show me the others - I like facts.
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs:
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to Iratesub
said by Iratesub : The tech told me, that the key to not getting capped is to NOT leave a constant upload stream going. He used the word "burst" alot, like "we have no issues if you use your upload in bursts, but if you leave it going for long periods you risk getting capped, even with boost". Ahhhhh, this is just like the old days. The special technician doesn't know exactly what causes a cap any more then I do.
Over the years and millions of characters typed the consensus is; the capping algorithm is a combination of the length of time uploading/the number of connections being uploaded to/how over sold the node is. |
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grandpinaple
join:2006-01-03
New York, NY | Don't be ridiculous. Cablevision subcontracts oompa loompas to create black lists of suspected commies excessive uploading network abusing clowns. Then they cap randomly just to mess with your head. It's all just one big conspiracy. |
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WoodyLI
join:2003-04-10
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There! Now that's a troll! (if he was serious anyway). LOL!
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Hoody101
@mindspring.com
| reply to Lex Luthor
Well you guys might be happy. I have heard rumors that Cablvision unthrottled 48,000 modems and the throttling policy won't be in affect because of FIOS and they want to stay in business. Too bad I don't live in CV area =(
And for a friend, he had a throttled modem, I ran memberservices on the optonline.net homepage, registered my modem and the throttle was lifted. Guys might want to try that out and let me know if it works. This was like a month ago. |
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LiberalKing
Intocable
Premium
join:2005-09-12
Bronx, NY | reply to Lex Luthor
some people have reported using the member services thing to registrate their modem but others have said that method just added an additional modem to the account. where did you hear those rumors from? |
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La Luna
Surviving Ashraful
Premium
join:2001-07-12
Warwick, NY
clubs: | reply to Lex Luthor
I just love "rumors", WHEEEEEEE!
This entire thread has turned into one big rumor.  |
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Hoody101
@mindspring.com | reply to LiberalKing
You have to make sure to use the same modem mac for memberservices. If you miss like a digit either should receive an error message or it probably will add another modem mac |
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StreetSpirit
Premium
join:2002-08-13
Roslyn, NY
·Optimum Online
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to LiberalKing
Be careful with that link. Run it with another modem [different hfc mac] and it will add that modem to your account. If it works, your modem should reset with no caps, but I'll be very surprised if it still works as it once did.
Of course, I haven't had the need to use that link for a while, with BOOST, and hopefully never again. |
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WoodyLI
join:2003-04-10
| reply to Hoody101
I wasn't able to find anything at optonline.net about info on throttling or on registering the modem. Do you have more specific information on where to look?
I rebooted my modem and checked speeds and noticed while I don't have boost my speeds are faster than ever with standard. I'm getting just a hair under 14/1.9 which is as close as I've ever made it to the advertised 15/2 speeds. Something has definitely been improved in any case. |
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jaa
Premium,MVM
join:2000-06-13 | Register your modem here: »https://memberservices.optonline.net/ |
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