TelecomJunky
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Re: Tri-cities?
said by fiberguy  :Sure it has a higher price tag, but you know what? You are getting a better service. You are getting a QoS that Vonage, Call Vantage and Sun Rocket can't give you. Those 3rd party voips are only as reliable as the ISP that it's on. It also gains reliability from their own infrustructure as well. But, 3rd party VoIP can't be compared to MSO offered voip AT-ALL! To do so IS silly. Sorry to say guys, but the BWM-Hyundai comparison is very much valid here. That is totally false. We have done extensive testing with our VoIP service with Comcast and Time Warner Cable customers that have their digital phone service and let me tell you, their is absolutely no quality improvement in the MSOs offering.
In addition, if they are offering QoS as they claim, then they are violating Net Neutrality and the FCC may have something to say about that. Hindering communications of competitors has already been addressed by the FCC in the Vonage case.
Regardless, of net neutrality, there is absolutely no difference in quality on the current systems and the battery backup can easily be solved with a battery backup for the end users cable modem/router and ATA. And when you compare $20 unlimited to $40+ unlimited there is no question who is the winner for the consumer.
The big problem is the cable MSOs have a direct window into the home of their customers through their TV and through their monthly bill and that gives them a significant marketing advantage over competing VoIP providers. And they will continue to do so as long as they are allowed to block ads for competing services on their network.
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SomeDudeSomeWhere
@comcast.net | What makes you think they are not doing QoS or traffic shaping? |
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TelecomJunky
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join:2005-12-12
Kansas City, MO
| Because we have done extensive testing with our VoIP service on their network. We have done extensive comparison testing as well.
In all cases their is no evidence of any QoS. In fact, in reports of jitter, etc... we came out slightly ahead of the cable MSOs.
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SomeDudeSomeWhere
@comcast.net | That may be true of VoiP what about DATA. |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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Ahh yes.. it's the Vonage guy, or who ever you work for.
No, nothing I said was "totally false" and to think that my statement was "totally false" is "totally false"...
You can test your service all you want. Proof is in the puddin' bud.
I spend about 5 hours a day on the phone with customers on both CDV and TimeWarner phone. BOTH of those customers calls are 100% better than those people I have spoke to using Vonage, or Call Vantage. However, I will say that Call Vantage is far superior, in my opinion to the ear, than Vonage.
I also HAVE vonage. I have made calls using Vonage over my two different broadband lines and I, having put my hands on MANY CVD installs, can tell you that Vonage is still far less superior. (For the record, my two connections are crystal clean - and *WE* have done 'extensive testing' as well.)
You say they are violating Net Neutrality? WHAT net neutrality as far as FCC in concerned. Please show me the FCC NN rules. The cable company is very much allowed to ensure their products work. Simple question, have you read the recent supreme court ruling on cable companies...? .. at all?
Some how, you are able to turn this into a position of who has better marketability. That's just absurd and you know it! Comcast has to advertise to their own customers as much as the rest. In fact, here, CDV is just launching and I STILL see more of those annoying Vonage comercials than I do the annoying Comcast CDV comercials. If I see that stupid kid throw the bat through the window (as if it were an accident - get better actors  ) again, I will throw the tv through the window.
Your post is full of claims that are just silly and sound like they are coming straigh from the mouth of the corporate big wig excuse makers at the VoIP company you work for.
I am not sticking up for any corporation period. I am simply refuting the claims you are making that are plain silly.
You claim that the price is the only thing that matters.. to who? Your target audience is who. YOUR target audience, by default, is the thrifty shopper/spender. You guys are targeting those that want a cheap phone company. NOT EVERYONE wants CHEAP phone service.. there are MANY people that want REALIABLE phone service. NEITHER Vonage, 3rd part voip, or even MSO managed Voip, in my opinion and based on statistics in general, is realiable phone service. |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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said by TelecomJunky :Because we have done extensive testing with our VoIP service on their network. We have done extensive comparison testing as well. In all cases their is no evidence of any QoS. In fact, in reports of jitter, etc... we came out slightly ahead of the cable MSOs. Pure B.S. and corporate shilling at it's best. |
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RadioDoc
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| said by fiberguy : Pure B.S. and corporate shilling at it's best. Labelled by an expert at it. Do you really have the Comcast logo tattooed on your ass?
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