actor90
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|  [Connectivity] Poll Should Comcast get rid of the AT&T backbone?
Today I have watched, as once again, the AT&T backbone has slowed to a crawl. With hops averaging anywhere from 90ms on the first AT&T router to 114ms on a later AT&T hop to www.comcast.net. Comcast needs to dump AT&T and their pathetic backbone. My poll question is, do you think Comcast should dump the AT&T back bone? If yes, what other backbone is better, or do you think Comcast should create it's own? If No, why are you happy with the AT&T backbone?
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Should Comcast dump the AT&T backbone? |
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Dallas, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
1 edit | Re: [Connectivity] Poll Should Comcast get rid of the AT&T backb
I voted yes, but it involves not only revamping on AT&T, but the overall backbones U.S. wide.
With all of the advances and how much activity has increased over just the past 5+ years it is astounding and will only get worse as time passes.
Considering what is being done in other countries. The U.S is just lagging behind in many aspects. All it takes is a simple search and you can read what is the inevitable.
Just reading here you see the disputes day in day out.
On what company is offering the best speeds up to who is having the worst issues. |
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SolarPup
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1 edit | reply to actor90
I'm gonna go off on this.. I don't understand why you guys all have so many problems with the AT&T backbone. I can traceroute anywhere, anytime and not have ANY problems at all! Traceroutes to www.comcast.net are fine, or anywhere else.. and they're all places over the AT&T backbone. All my ping times on traceroutes over anything *.att.net average about 25-30 ms. Never had anything bigger than 40-50 ms anywhere on their backbone.
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Obliteration
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Somewhere | reply to actor90
I don't think I have had any problems with it. Usually it works well for me.  |
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joe40
join:2005-11-26
Danbury, CT | i voted yes
from November to now i am getting high pings on at&t routers.
but not all the time.
in the comcast.net forum in the state of ca.
they had a problem all the time since February |
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Maarvin
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join:2005-04-11
Denver, CO | reply to actor90
It seems to me that the more gateways out there in use help to serve all of us that much better. The fewer gateways, the slower the system. |
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SterlingJ85
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join:2000-11-19
Millville, NJ
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| reply to SolarPup
Well, since the original poster is from NJ and so am I.. Here is what we have been seeing since Thursday:
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.
C:\>tracert google.com
Tracing route to google.com [72.14.207.99]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 * * * Request timed out.
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 11 ms 12 ms 13 ms ge-2-3-ur01.jerseycity.nj.panjde.comcast.net [68
.86.220.185]
4 13 ms 13 ms 10 ms po10-ur02.jerseycity.nj.panjde.comcast.net [68.8
6.209.246]
5 11 ms 13 ms 13 ms po10-ur01.narlington.nj.panjde.comcast.net [68.8
6.209.250]
6 13 ms 15 ms 11 ms po70-ar01.verona.nj.panjde.comcast.net [68.86.20
9.254]
7 27 ms 20 ms 27 ms ar01.plainfield.nj.panjde.comcast.net [68.86.208
.5]
8 27 ms 11 ms 30 ms 68.86.211.2
9 195 ms 170 ms 180 ms 12.118.102.17
10 196 ms 179 ms 179 ms tbr1-p010101.n54ny.ip.att.net [12.123.3.82]
11 178 ms 2131 ms 175 ms ar5-a300s5.n54ny.ip.att.net [12.123.0.89]
12 188 ms 184 ms 166 ms 192.205.33.94
13 166 ms 171 ms 163 ms ae-11-53.car1.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.68.97.84]
14 164 ms 165 ms 163 ms 4.78.164.70
15 189 ms 181 ms 180 ms 72.14.236.219
16 183 ms 181 ms 188 ms 72.14.236.181
17 188 ms 183 ms 193 ms 72.14.236.134
18 189 ms 204 ms 181 ms 72.14.207.99
Trace complete.
Needless to say, we aren't very happy. My download speeds are down to 1.5 Mbps due to this, and my Vonage connection is suffering as well.
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SolarPup
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| It could also be comcast's link between their network and the AT&T network... below looks like a Level3.net problem.
Tracing route to google.com [64.233.187.99]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms wr850g.starshome.net [192.168.10.1]
2 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms cr-fe0-2.starshome.net [10.10.10.1]
3 * * * Request timed out.
4 11 ms * 21 ms 68.86.105.213
5 14 ms * 12 ms 68.86.103.77
6 17 ms * 11 ms 68.86.103.129
7 27 ms 12 ms 13 ms 68.86.103.157
8 12 ms 14 ms * 68.86.103.161
9 15 ms * 18 ms 68.86.103.154
10 12 ms 13 ms 17 ms 68.86.103.134
11 13 ms 14 ms 13 ms 12.124.158.17
12 37 ms 40 ms 38 ms gbr1-p60.dvmco.ip.att.net [12.123.36.138]
13 40 ms 40 ms 40 ms tbr2-cl31.sffca.ip.att.net [12.122.12.133]
14 37 ms 38 ms 37 ms gbr7-ge30.sffca.ip.att.net [12.123.13.185]
15 38 ms 38 ms 37 ms so-8-1.car3.SanJose1.Level3.net [209.0.227.29]
16 41 ms 40 ms 42 ms ae-1-53.bbr1.SanJose1.Level3.net [4.68.123.65]
17 84 ms 84 ms 87 ms ae-0-0.bbr1.Washington1.Level3.net [64.159.0.229
]
18 87 ms 88 ms 86 ms ae-12-55.car2.Washington1.Level3.net [4.68.121.1
47]
19 97 ms 98 ms 100 ms 4.79.18.194
20 98 ms 100 ms 99 ms 72.14.238.232
21 103 ms 99 ms 98 ms 66.249.95.149
22 99 ms 97 ms 115 ms 72.14.236.175
23 101 ms 101 ms 101 ms 216.239.49.222
24 100 ms 100 ms 100 ms 64.233.187.99
Trace complete.
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
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·Comcast
| reply to actor90
said by actor90  :Today I have watched, as once again, the AT&T backbone has slowed to a crawl. With hops averaging anywhere from 90ms on the first AT&T router to 114ms on a later AT&T hop to www.comcast.net. Comcast needs to dump AT&T and their pathetic backbone. My poll question is, do you think Comcast should dump the AT&T back bone? If yes, what other backbone is better, or do you think Comcast should create it's own? If No, why are you happy with the AT&T backbone? Comcast has gotten off the AT&T backbone to a very large extent with their CRAN backbone rollout. But they still must access servers from companies elsewhere on the internet. And many of those sites are on AT&T and other nets reached thru AT&T. Can Comcast still find a better way to find alternate routing in cases where the AT&T backbone is stressed? Probably!! But it is harder than most people realize. When major peering points start having failures, the solution is often slow and messy. Welcome to the "Best Effort" internet. And people wonder why the major ISP's are looking at a two-tier internet to keep critical applications running well? Well, this is why.
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| reply to actor90
I haven't had any problems at all, with that side of the network.
Tracing route to www.l.google.com [64.233.161.104]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms xxxxxxx [192.168.1.1]
2 8 ms 9 ms 9 ms 73.109.180.1
3 10 ms 7 ms 7 ms 68.87.172.213
4 8 ms 9 ms 10 ms 68.87.172.17
5 16 ms 12 ms 11 ms 12.127.141.61
6 53 ms 33 ms 41 ms gbr2-p80.phmaz.ip.att.net [12.123.142.26]
7 32 ms 45 ms 33 ms tbr2-cl1592.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.10.81]
8 48 ms 32 ms 31 ms gar2-p370.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.123.17.29]
9 32 ms 40 ms 32 ms att-gw.dc.uu.net [192.205.32.162]
10 37 ms 37 ms 43 ms so-4-0-0.mpr1.iah1.us.above.net [64.125.31.37]
11 37 ms 48 ms 67 ms so-0-0-0.mpr2.iah1.us.above.net [64.125.31.62]
12 48 ms 49 ms 51 ms so-4-1-0.mpr1.atl6.us.above.net [64.125.31.26]
13 63 ms 63 ms 63 ms 64.124.229.173.google.com [64.124.229.173]
14 64 ms 75 ms 82 ms 72.14.238.96
15 75 ms 75 ms 93 ms 72.14.236.200
16 77 ms 78 ms 79 ms 216.239.48.190
17 75 ms 77 ms 74 ms 64.233.161.104
Trace complete.
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scooby
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join:2001-05-01
Schaumburg, IL | reply to actor90
They need to get some redudancy and peer places. Don't drop AT&T justpick up some Level3 and Cogent at each gateway or whatever you want to call it. Level3 hosts a good percentage of websites these days and Cogent is just cheap as heck. |
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scooby
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join:2001-05-01
Schaumburg, IL
| reply to TKJunkMail
said by TKJunkMail :Comcast has gotten off the AT&T backbone to a very large extent with their CRAN backbone rollout. But they still must access servers from companies elsewhere on the internet. And many of those sites are on AT&T and other nets reached thru AT&T. Can Comcast still find a better way to find alternate routing in cases where the AT&T backbone is stressed? Probably!! But it is harder than most people realize. When major peering points start having failures, the solution is often slow and messy. Welcome to the "Best Effort" internet. And people wonder why the major ISP's are looking at a two-tier internet to keep critical applications running well? Well, this is why. The days of having major peering points have issues is well in the past. Equinix and other private peering locations is where everyone that is anyone peers these days. MAE-East/West and AADS are all but dead. |
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actor90
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| reply to SolarPup
said by SolarPup :I'm gonna go off on this.. I don't understand why you guys all have so many problems with the AT&T backbone. I can traceroute anywhere, anytime and not have ANY problems at all! Traceroutes to www.comcast.net are fine, or anywhere else.. and they're all places over the AT&T backbone. All my ping times on traceroutes over anything *.att.net average about 25-30 ms. Never had anything bigger than 40-50 ms anywhere on their backbone. I guess if your not having a problem, then there is no problem? People in the North Eastern part of this country are on the net at a snails pace because of the AT&T backbone comcast leases. However since your connection is fine, we should all shut up, right?
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SolarPup
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| After most of the people on this thread have said they don't have problems.. it seems to just be your area.. explain why you think a huge ISP like comcast should just change backbones because only your area is having problems. It's not feasable cost wise.
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actor90
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L.E.H.T., NJ
·Comcast
| said by SolarPup :After most of the people on this thread have said they don't have problems.. it seems to just be your area.. explain why you think a huge ISP like comcast should just change backbones because only your area is having problems. It's not feasable cost wise. My area, lol. New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Delaware, states with only a few million Comcast HSI customers, I guess Comcast need not worry, lol.
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itsaconspiracy
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1 edit | im in delaware and have no problems. i work in pa and there are no problems. many people from jersey will come on here to tell you they arent having any issues either. are you saying everyone in delaware, pa, and jersey are having issues just because you are ? |
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easyrider9
join:2005-12-15
Hanover, PA
| reply to SolarPup
said by SolarPup :I'm gonna go off on this.. I don't understand why you guys all have so many problems with the AT&T backbone. I can traceroute anywhere, anytime and not have ANY problems at all! Traceroutes to www.comcast.net are fine, or anywhere else.. and they're all places over the AT&T backbone. All my ping times on traceroutes over anything *.att.net average about 25-30 ms. Never had anything bigger than 40-50 ms anywhere on their backbone. Give it some time. You will experience it too, I'm sure. |
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actor90
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1 edit | reply to itsaconspiracy
said by itsaconspiracy :
im in delaware and have no problems. i work in pa and there are no problems. many people from jersey will come on here to tell you they arent having any issues either. are you saying everyone in delaware, pa, and jersey are having issues just because you are ? I guess all the registered users here, who have posted are making this all up. Just check out some of the other threads on this issue.
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RX8
join:2004-07-18
Marietta, GA | I'm way south of you (in Georgia) & have had the same problem for some time.---& fanboys will always be quick to defend  |
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rob_in_chatt
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Chattanooga, TN
·Comcast
1 edit | reply to actor90
i am with the majority of you on this one..............send AT&T to hell. my Counter-Strike clan server is located in Atlanta and i am in chattanooga on comcast. we have pathetic problems with the AT&T backbone consistently. it spikes from 15 ms to over 350 during peak traffic times in the evening. the specific node is 12.122.12.34 gbr1-p20.attga.ip.att.net
about 8 pm eastern, my ping goes from single digits to the server to 200+ in ramdom spikes. the server (dedicated) is on internap and AT&T is the bridge between myself and internap. its nothing but junk.
i called AT&T broadband to complain about it and sat on hold for 30 minutes before i got irritated and just hung the phone up. |
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