FightingBlue
@direcpc.com
| reply to Michieru2
Re: Rollout won't begin until 2007
"Uhm, yes it does cost to distribute, because you need to buy the equipment to do so."
No, that's build-out. I'm talking about bandwidth. Even if you amortized the cost of build-out into the service, you'd still be talking about fractions of a penny on the dollar compared to what the big ISPs charge. And the main build-out, the important high-bandwidth connections, have been paid for a thousand times over, and a thousand times again.
"Plus T1's go into the $400 range I don't know where did you get those numbers."
I got them from the lowest quote to run a T1 to one of my potential tower sites. |
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jdir
join:2001-05-04
Santa Clara, CA
| reply to ftthz
From the local newspaper -
Earthlink and Google plans to charge $20/month for wireless access.
Oh sure, $20 for 300kbps. HAHAHAHA
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novaflare
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join:2002-01-24
Barberton, OH
| reply to danza
said by danza  :300kb is slow? What do you want to do with a free wireless? BT? download porn? It's plenty for people who want to enjoy a nice afternoon in the city while chatting with friends over skype or checking out maps or mails on the go. Well if thats 300kb up and down thats more than enough for some pretty hardcore gamming. Friend of mine was startign up his own paid wireless isp 1500 up and down (yes yes very nice speeds pretty high bandwidth to heh) I haveroad runner 3500+ down what the hell ever up dont know dont care just know its over 300 up. My ping times are pretty decent to most places in low 50 to low 60s. To same sites i was pinging he was getting 10 to 20 ms at most. Now range on his was about 4 miles no antena with one that range was over 8 miles. This was with a 9 inch dish antena for wireless and the tranceiver was sitting on his shops roof during the tests. Speed drop off was pretty minimal over the distances he could get from it. Unfortunatly do to a idiot city building inspector telling him he needed no permit to erect the tower and the same idiot refused to isue one he never got off the ground. The city made him tare down the tower 10k to erect and same to take it down + cost of tower another 12k.
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Michieru2
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join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL
| reply to FightingBlue
Uhm, yes it does cost to distribute, because you need to buy the equipment to do so. Which is why we need router's, which is why we need switches, anything internally is based on distribution and when you consider a citywide WiFi network costs rise.
So while it does not cost to reproduce, to distribute there are costs. Plus when you consider hundreds if not thousands of users using this WiFi network your going to need a real fat pipe. It might look small when you look at one user, but when you look at the whole picture it will actually cost you.
Plus there not demanding any tolls, they are just going to show you advertisement, etc. Not every ISP is out there is evil. Plus T1's go into the $400 range I don't know where did you get those numbers. |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| reply to ftthz
said by ftthz :  free is nice "Nothings cheaper than free"
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FightingBlue
@direcpc.com
| reply to ctaul
It's a myth that bandwidth costs money. It costs nothing to produce, nothing to distribute. The only reason it's priced so unreasonably high is because of a handful of companies that sit on the big pipes and demand huge tolls to play with their hardware. There's tons of unused capacity, but it pays to create an artificial valuation, the way they do with the price of gas. Do you really think it costs $1000 a month to run a little voltage down a T1 line? |
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danza
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join:2002-08-23 | reply to ctaul
300kb is slow? What do you want to do with a free wireless? BT? download porn?
It's plenty for people who want to enjoy a nice afternoon in the city while chatting with friends over skype or checking out maps or mails on the go. |
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zduice
join:2001-03-03
San Dimas, CA
| reply to screwthisbox
This service is obviously not being marketed to someone like you, the power user, but towards the casual user. If a free service offered 3 mbit download speeds it would only be a matter of time before the network's bandwidth is overly utilized by just few leeching users 24/7 making it crawl well below 300 kbps. |
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ctaul
join:2004-03-09
Dallas, TX | reply to screwthisbox
then build your own isp...and u can pay for all the bandwidth and fiber you want lol |
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screwthisbox
@il.us
| reply to ftthz
It doesn't matter. 300Kbps is the dial up of 2006, with new technology I and everyone else should expect more. We can deliver speeds of Gbps but yet we are only being supplied nothing but mere crumbs by ISPs at speed of something like 10Mbps. I thought capitalism was suppose to invoke competition but apparently it does nothing more for competition than what communism does. |
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ftthz
If love can kill hate can also save
join:2005-10-17 | reply to TKJunkMail
free is nice |
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Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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|  Rollout won't begin until 2007 since the contracts won't be done until the end of the year.Chris Vein, the director of San Francisco's technology department, said he is hopeful that a contract can be hammered out by the end of the year. The agreement must be reviewed for final approval by the city's board of supervisors.
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