Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
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join:2004-01-06
Sweden | reply to Jim_in_VA
Re: 100 MB broadband for all
Are you willing to spend $100, maybe $200/month for broadband? The broadband companies aren't going to waste THOUSANDS of dollars bringing a broadband connection to 2 people out in rural Iowa.
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
| Hmm.. I sort of live in the boonies. Yet I have cable TV? How could that be?
Ahh, right, it wasn't their choice. As part of the agreement to make money off the 'high profit' part of town, the cable company was REQUIRED to run cables to everyone.
That's why we used to be a 'democracy', not a 'fascist state'. Even though I'm NOT in the 'high profit' area, myself, and most of the rest of the voters, determined that it was in OUR best interest if everyone was served. Ergo, if you want to sell cable tv, or internet, or anything in our town, you have to do it for EVERYONE in our town. That is democracy in action.
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BloodRoses
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and I'm not willing to pay extra on my bill so some arse that decides to live in some craphole in the middle of nowhere can get broadband, either. A wise New Yorker once said "Dial-up is fast enough for their fast paced lifestyle". If you don't like it, move.
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ss4vegito7
join:2004-07-24
Cranbury, NJ
| said by BloodRoses  :and I'm not willing to pay extra on my bill so some arse that decides to live in some craphole in the middle of nowhere can get broadband, either. A wise New Yorker once said "Dial-up is fast enough for their fast paced lifestyle". If you don't like it, move. What if you can't afford to move but would like decent internet? And don't say if you can't afford to move that you can't afford broadband because that isn't true.
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axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC
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The difference now is that monopoly companies can afford to choose not to serve the community at all if those are the conditions. I think the cable companies were a lot smaller back then, right? And cable TV wasn't as tantalizing as broadband is now... more difficult for collective bargaining. Technically this is fine, its not the company's fault if people don't stand up for themselves... unless laws are passed via lobbying preventing it, then that's dirty. |
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older dog
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join:2005-06-09
Norwich, NY
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We all subsidize somebody with something.
Water comes to mind. We in the country subsidize your cheap water.
How by land restrictions around water sheds. Hurts resale of land, tax base, and prevents the area from ever growing to where the area would be viable for broadband deployment on its own.
After all you could just move to a area where water is easier to provide.
The list is endless on both sides. |
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PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
| said by older dog :We all subsidize somebody with something. Water comes to mind. We in the country subsidize your cheap water. How by land restrictions around water sheds. Hurts resale of land, tax base, and prevents the area from ever growing to where the area would be viable for broadband deployment on its own. After all you could just move to a area where water is easier to provide. The list is endless on both sides. Not to mention all the "scenic restrictions" that serve no purpose, other than to give some suburban dweeb a pretty view when they go on their Sunday drive in the country. You don't hear rural folks demanding that strip malls all be dismantled, just so that they don't have to look at them at those times when they venture into the 'burbs. Why should rural people be forced to restrict what they do with their own property, just to satisfy the aesthetic sensibilities of some city slicker? |
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ImaIdiotToo
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and I'm not willing to pay extra on my bill so some arse that decides to live in some craphole in the middle of nowhere can get broadband, either Agreed! Phuck the farmers, the stupid hayseeds don't need broadband. They should just move their farms to the city. |
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BigVe
join:2005-07-15
Gulliver, MI | reply to Tzale
Re: 100 MB broadband for all
Many places in Sweden only pay about $40 for 100/100 |
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Bill
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said by ss4vegito7 :What if you can't afford to move but would like decent internet? And don't say if you can't afford to move that you can't afford broadband because that isn't true. That's up to them to figure out. It's not my problem. Part of my monthly bill shouldn't be going to help them.
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rachelsfx
join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL | reply to Tzale
Re: 100 MB broadband for all
Japan only pays $25 a month 150/50 Internet. I guess they are losing money? |
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CaptainRR
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join:2006-04-21
Blue Rock, OH
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I hear. Sounds like living in the Adirondacks! Cell service is scarce because they don't allow towers. One thing I can say is most of the private telco's up there do provide DSL and are way ahead of any major telco. Were I used to live I used to have a small telco that covered only two townships. I have family up there and they cover every corner of there service area with DSL. What I am getting at is if you are on a baby bell telco more chance's are you will get DSL before most people will with major telco's in rural areas. I know that first hand. I am with the new AT&T out in the middle of no wear and just barley have dialup! |
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bamabrad
join:2006-01-27
Port Orange, FL | reply to ImaIdiotToo
If it were me,(but it's not), I wouldn't put down the hard working people that feed me- BB is important-but I can't eat it. |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA
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Actually, forcing private investors to build things because the mob requires it sounds more like a facist state then a democracy.. 
What you describe is the almost exactly the argument of communism, just so you know.
Capitalism is good because it provides the incentive to improve. Otherwise no one would, and if things are not improving, they're going the other way. The government is there to make sure system abuse is not occuring.
Now if companies want to receive public help (tax breaks, subsidies, etc.) to build their business, then they're beholden to public desire (other than market forces) as the public is, essentially, a stakeholder at that point. |
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CConverse
join:2006-01-31
Syracuse, NY
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said by BloodRoses :...some arse that decides to live in some craphole in the middle of nowhere... 
Y'know, those "arses" provide you with the food you eat three times a day, it's not like food can be grown in the concrete jungle...
My husband is involved in an agricultural business program at his local college. He is studying ways that computer technology can be used to enhance farming methods. Broadband would certainly help, imagine downloading several gigs of satellite data about your crops on a dial-up connection! 
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CConverse
join:2006-01-31
Syracuse, NY
1 edit | reply to PDXPLT
said by PDXPLT :Not to mention all the "scenic restrictions" that serve no purpose, other than to give some suburban dweeb a pretty view when they go on their Sunday drive in the country. No purpose? Ask the birds or butterflies that use the areas as migration "rest stops". As the swamplands that act as natural filters for earth's water supply. Ask the trees and plants that provide us with the oxygen we breathe. There's plenty of reason to keep these areas, we just have to look for them.
Edit: See (and look up) my quote for more details.
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BloodRoses
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A farmer, and an "arse" (read: hick) that decides to live in the middle of nowhere (read: double wide with two broken down pickups), are two very different things. Your husband is researching technology to help business owners, who so happen to be in the business of farming. Most businsesses, city or not, generally don't use DSL or Cable, if they do it's a leased business line from the Telco and or Cable company. I don't own a company, and I don't make anywhere near the kind of money that a modern farm can. I also can't write my expenses off at tax time. What you're talking about is a VERY different situation than what is being discussed here.
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
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Sweden
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said by BigVe :Many places in Sweden only pay about $40 for 100/100 Yea, and Sweden is about the size of what? A "day" trip in America?
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