Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
 ·Qwest.net
2 edits | We are getting there All you have to do to see this is download a file on a P2P, or Bit torrent. In the old Napster days I though I was in hog heaven with a 10mbps download, I now see transfers of upwards of 200mbps, and I think nothing of grabbing a 2 gig file this would have been a pipe dream in the old days.
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Low voltage Tech's are wimps, Real tech's use 45 pound filament transformers, plate voltages no less then 2400 volts with at least 10 amp's lighting 8877 triodes...BPL I'm coming to get you.
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 praetoralpha
join:2005-08-06
Mount Vernon, OH
| Re: We are getting there You can download as much as you (and I) please, but for most Americans, they dont really care how many gigabytes they can download in an hour, or how many days of music that can be downloaded in one hour. They just want to check their email, provided they even have email.
If I didnt have a job, my mom (and I) would still be on dialup. | |
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tsu9
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL | Re: We are getting there Many people can't justify the price, but wouldn't mind broadband one bit. | |
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manfmmd
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join:2003-01-14
Earth
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| Re: We are getting there Broadband, if considered a utility (as many here think), is very reasonable when compared to telephone, gas, electric, water & sewer, etc. Price is no longer a reason, for most people, not to get a broadband internet connection. "Availability" and "need" are the prime factors.
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tsu9
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL
| Re: We are getting there When we're talking about the nation's poorer subscribers, yes, price is the prime factor. Broadband is still around double the cost of dialup, so many ask, "Why do we need to spend more for something we already have?" if they have it at all.
If it were considered a utility, the whole game would change. But, currently, it is not. | |
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manfmmd
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1 edit | Re: We are getting there [rant on]
Are these the same "poorer subscribers" that are driving around Escalades and buying their food with food stamps? Collecting wages "under the table" and collecting welfare? Having more children than they can support? Please!
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tsu9
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL | Re: We are getting there No.
You sure have some funny ideas of what "poor" means, and I'm sure some people abuse a system that means well, but I was talking about the honest folks that have inexpensive dial-up, as that is all their budget can possibly allow. | |
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Michieru2
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join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL
| While that was not directed to me I understand how you feel on this one.
There shall be abusers to the system in any level. I know this for a fact because we see it every day, instead of cutting off welfare and other services I believe the services provide should be strict for the intended purposes.
One example is instead of giving out checks which people can cash into there accounts let the government give out debit cards but they also must use a certain amount on food and clothing, utility bills and with a small amount for misc items.
There are other ways to solve this instead of just cutting it off like that idiotic politician on CNN said. The system must be more strict and give out the money to the people who really need it.
Also some people have more than just one child some could have 2,3 even 4 or more there first time. It's not something the parents probably would not of known until it was too late.
So that last sentence was ignorant at best. | |
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join:2002-01-23
Boston, MA
| Re: We are getting there The last sentence wasn't ignorant. Twins are rare, triplets rarer and quadruplets are rarer still and the original poster surely wasn't talking about these cases. He was talking about people who have 4 or 5 kids, all years apart from each other when they're poor and can't afford to take care of ONE kid. In addition to that, even the poor get sonograms and would know well before the birth of those kids if they were carrying multiples or not and at that point have the option of selectively aborting.
So they have many options, they're just too stupid to use them. | |
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Michieru2
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Miami, FL | Re: We are getting there "even the poor get sonograms"
If they have health care sure, if not they need to pay $300 for one. | |
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join:2005-06-09
Norwich, NY | Re: We are getting there I guess it depends on where you live, cheapest dialup is about $20.00 where I live.
Broadband is somewhere in the $30.00 range with a package deal | |
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Michieru2
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join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL
| "Broadband, if considered a utility"
It's considered a utility for a business, not for a customer.
"Price is no longer a reason, for most people, not to get a broadband internet connection. "Availability" and "need" are the prime factors."
No, just stop there broadband's average price is around 30-50 dollars.
Dialup average is around 10-19 dollars.
To someone who lives off a low income everything they have is looked upon as highly valuable, especially when it comes to money so while it does not look like much a difference to someone who has a normal or high income, for someone with low income it really does.
Price is still one of the main factors, availability is another. Need is not a prime factor because when I had dialup I learned to be patient, please don't confuse need from want.
Broadband is only needed to those who use applications that require such speeds. It's a luxury to the user like a car instead of driving a Meetro he/she wants a Dodge Viper. | |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
 ·T-Mobile US
| Re: We are getting there said by Michieru2  :"Broadband, if considered a utility" It's considered a utility for a business, not for a customer. "Price is no longer a reason, for most people, not to get a broadband internet connection. "Availability" and "need" are the prime factors." No, just stop there broadband's average price is around 30-50 dollars. Dialup average is around 10-19 dollars. To someone who lives off a low income everything they have is looked upon as highly valuable, especially when it comes to money so while it does not look like much a difference to someone who has a normal or high income, for someone with low income it really does. Price is still one of the main factors, availability is another. Need is not a prime factor because when I had dialup I learned to be patient, please don't confuse need from want. Broadband is only needed to those who use applications that require such speeds. It's a luxury to the user like a car instead of driving a Meetro he/she wants a Dodge Viper. It's sheer stupidity and narrow mindedness to deny the fact that internet IS a utility.
It serves nothing but helps the greedy cable cos to maintain the current status quo, their high prices yet ridiculously slow upload speeds, keeping users miserably clueless, resulting falling competitiveness.
This is exactly the kind of mindset that resulted our shitty broadband speeds, high prices, laughable cable upload speeds etc etc, all together our pathetic ~16th place in the world when it comes to broadband. | |
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Michieru2
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join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL | Re: We are getting there Then please explain in detail on how is Broadband in fact a utility. | |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
| Re: We are getting there said by Michieru2 :Then please explain in detail on how is Broadband in fact a utility. ? Explain how it isn't... | |
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Michieru2
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Miami, FL
1 edit | Re: We are getting there Maybe I misunderstood your post?
EDIT: "It's sheer stupidity and narrow mindedness to deny the fact that internet IS a utility."
I take that as your saying im narrow minded and denying the fact that internet IS a utility, so your stating that in fact the internet itself is a utility.
If that's not what you mean't please elaborate. | |
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join:2002-01-23
Boston, MA
| Broadband never was a utility. A utility is something you need to remain alive. Water, heat, gas, electricity all run appliances that keep us warm, keep our food from spoiling, allow us to cook our food, and allow us to have indoor plumbing to remove human wastes from our home and reduce the incidence of disease.
Now its up to you to explain just exactly someone would die from lack of internet access? | |
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Michieru2
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Miami, FL | We are not falling behind, we are catching up. | |
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tsu9
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL | Re: We are getting there We honestly shouldn't be "catching up." | |
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Michieru2
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Miami, FL | Re: We are getting there We are better off catching up than just sitting like a deadstick. | |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
| said by TKJunkMail :said by Transmaster :All you have to do to see this is download a file on a P2P, or Bit torrent. In the old Napster days I though I was in hog heaven with a 10mbps download, I now see transfers of upwards of 200mbps, and I think nothing of grabbing a 2 gig file this would have been a pipe dream in the old days. We sure are getting there. Many think we are falling behind. But it is more that many people aren't really interested in broadband because they have no need for it. Many of those on dial-up are only on that because their relatives browbeat them into getting an email address. As the older generation dies off and the younger generation get jobs and homes, broadband will continue to expand at a natural rate. BS. The problem is that your bosses at the cable company enjoy monopolies thus the high prices many cannot justify for broadband. | |
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Michieru2
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join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL | Re: We are getting there lmfao kamm just loves to bite your head off  | |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY | Re: We are getting there That lying one, sure. | |
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tsu9
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL | Ever notice how when the introductory rates are low (and slightly misleading), people sign up for broadband in droves (or, at least in numbers significantly higher than usual)?
Definately a liar. | |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
1 edit | said by kamm :The problem is that your bosses at the cable company enjoy monopolies thus the high prices many cannot justify for broadband. All of the bitching and moaning in the world isn't going to change things. I have my broadband connection, and I could care less if Joe Hoodus in Screw Horses, Wyoming doesn't. I am not going to increase my stress levels over an issue I can do absolutely nothing about.
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Low voltage Tech's are wimps, Real tech's use 45 pound filament transformers, plate voltages no less then 2400 volts with at least 10 amp's lighting 8877 triodes...BPL I'm coming to get you.
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