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Michieru2
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join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL
reply to NDPTAL85
Re: We are getting there

"even the poor get sonograms"

If they have health care sure, if not they need to pay $300 for one.

NDPTAL85

join:2002-01-23
Boston, MA

reply to kamm
Broadband never was a utility.

A utility is something you need to remain alive. Water, heat, gas, electricity all run appliances that keep us warm, keep our food from spoiling, allow us to cook our food, and allow us to have indoor plumbing to remove human wastes from our home and reduce the incidence of disease.

Now its up to you to explain just exactly someone would die from lack of internet access?

NDPTAL85

join:2002-01-23
Boston, MA

reply to Michieru2
Re: We are getting there

The last sentence wasn't ignorant. Twins are rare, triplets rarer and quadruplets are rarer still and the original poster surely wasn't talking about these cases. He was talking about people who have 4 or 5 kids, all years apart from each other when they're poor and can't afford to take care of ONE kid. In addition to that, even the poor get sonograms and would know well before the birth of those kids if they were carrying multiples or not and at that point have the option of selectively aborting.

So they have many options, they're just too stupid to use them.

older dog
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join:2005-06-09
Norwich, NY
reply to raderator
I guess it depends on where you live, cheapest dialup is about $20.00 where I live.
Broadband is somewhere in the $30.00 range with a package deal

raderator

join:2003-07-22
Conklin, NY
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reply to tsu9
said by tsu9 See Profile :

Broadband is still around double the cost of dialup,
There are many dialups for $5 »www.freedomlist.com/


Michieru2
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reply to manfmmd
While that was not directed to me I understand how you feel on this one.

There shall be abusers to the system in any level. I know this for a fact because we see it every day, instead of cutting off welfare and other services I believe the services provide should be strict for the intended purposes.

One example is instead of giving out checks which people can cash into there accounts let the government give out debit cards but they also must use a certain amount on food and clothing, utility bills and with a small amount for misc items.

There are other ways to solve this instead of just cutting it off like that idiotic politician on CNN said. The system must be more strict and give out the money to the people who really need it.

Also some people have more than just one child some could have 2,3 even 4 or more there first time. It's not something the parents probably would not of known until it was too late.

So that last sentence was ignorant at best.


Michieru2
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reply to kamm
Maybe I misunderstood your post?

EDIT: "It's sheer stupidity and narrow mindedness to deny the fact that internet IS a utility."

I take that as your saying im narrow minded and denying the fact that internet IS a utility, so your stating that in fact the internet itself is a utility.

If that's not what you mean't please elaborate.


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Cheyenne, WY
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said by kamm See Profile :

The problem is that your bosses at the cable company enjoy monopolies thus the high prices many cannot justify for broadband.
All of the bitching and moaning in the world isn't going to change things. I have my broadband connection, and I could care less if Joe Hoodus in Screw Horses, Wyoming doesn't. I am not going to increase my stress levels over an issue I can do absolutely nothing about.
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kamm

join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US

reply to Michieru2
said by Michieru2 See Profile :

Then please explain in detail on how is Broadband in fact a utility.
? Explain how it isn't...


kamm

join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
reply to Michieru2
That lying one, sure.


tsu9

join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL
reply to TKJunkMail
Ever notice how when the introductory rates are low (and slightly misleading), people sign up for broadband in droves (or, at least in numbers significantly higher than usual)?

Definately a liar.


Michieru2
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reply to TKJunkMail
lmfao kamm just loves to bite your head off


Michieru2
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reply to kamm
Then please explain in detail on how is Broadband in fact a utility.


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said by kamm See Profile :

BS. The problem is that your bosses at the cable company enjoy monopolies thus the high prices many cannot justify for broadband.
You are a liar.
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kamm

join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
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reply to Michieru2
said by Michieru2 See Profile :

"Broadband, if considered a utility"

It's considered a utility for a business, not for a customer.

"Price is no longer a reason, for most people, not to get a broadband internet connection. "Availability" and "need" are the prime factors."

No, just stop there broadband's average price is around 30-50 dollars.

Dialup average is around 10-19 dollars.

To someone who lives off a low income everything they have is looked upon as highly valuable, especially when it comes to money so while it does not look like much a difference to someone who has a normal or high income, for someone with low income it really does.

Price is still one of the main factors, availability is another. Need is not a prime factor because when I had dialup I learned to be patient, please don't confuse need from want.

Broadband is only needed to those who use applications that require such speeds. It's a luxury to the user like a car instead of driving a Meetro he/she wants a Dodge Viper.
It's sheer stupidity and narrow mindedness to deny the fact that internet IS a utility.
It serves nothing but helps the greedy cable cos to maintain the current status quo, their high prices yet ridiculously slow upload speeds, keeping users miserably clueless, resulting falling competitiveness.

This is exactly the kind of mindset that resulted our shitty broadband speeds, high prices, laughable cable upload speeds etc etc, all together our pathetic ~16th place in the world when it comes to broadband.


kamm

join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US

reply to TKJunkMail
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by Transmaster See Profile :

All you have to do to see this is download a file on a P2P, or Bit torrent. In the old Napster days I though I was in hog heaven with a 10mbps download, I now see transfers of upwards of 200mbps, and I think nothing of grabbing a 2 gig file this would have been a pipe dream in the old days.
We sure are getting there. Many think we are falling behind. But it is more that many people aren't really interested in broadband because they have no need for it. Many of those on dial-up are only on that because their relatives browbeat them into getting an email address. As the older generation dies off and the younger generation get jobs and homes, broadband will continue to expand at a natural rate.
BS. The problem is that your bosses at the cable company enjoy monopolies thus the high prices many cannot justify for broadband.


tsu9

join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL
reply to manfmmd
No.

You sure have some funny ideas of what "poor" means, and I'm sure some people abuse a system that means well, but I was talking about the honest folks that have inexpensive dial-up, as that is all their budget can possibly allow.


manfmmd
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reply to tsu9
[rant on]

Are these the same "poorer subscribers" that are driving around Escalades and buying their food with food stamps? Collecting wages "under the table" and collecting welfare? Having more children than they can support? Please!

[rant off]


Michieru2
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Miami, FL
reply to tsu9
We are better off catching up than just sitting like a deadstick.


tsu9

join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL
reply to Michieru2
We honestly shouldn't be "catching up."
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