EL_TB
join:2003-05-03
Fairfax, VA | Lower prices
They could lower prices...... |
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RedXII1234
Premium,Mod
join:2001-02-26
localhost | Verizon can lower their price for ADSL all they want but that won't make it any better (faster) than what I have now with cable. |
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BillTager
join:2000-09-20
Charlotte, NC
| I think he was talking about cable companies lowering prices to compete with telcos.
But the only way I'd go back to DSL is if I could get a naked pair and not be raped for it. I've had no use for a home phone in over 4 years.
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T1 Rocky
join:2002-11-15
Dallas, TX
 ·tw telecom
 ·ygnitionnet
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HELL NO!
Are we all freekin idiots? The monopoly is restored. Verizon has funneled $90 million into lobbyists over the last 5 years. Let me say it again - 90 MILLION FREEKIN DOLLARS!!!!!! Do you think that those dollars went towards encouraging competition?
The short term is that we save money while AT&T/Verizon etc pummel the cable companies for the next 2 years. Then when they have wiped out that industry, where's the competition? Then what happens to prices?
In 3 years your going to be posting in this same forum asking, "how come my internet bill to AT&T is $200 per month?"
Stick with the cable companies! Pay now or pay alot more later. The ILECS have wiped out ALL competition in ISP, SDSL and ADSL markets. All that is left are the cable companies, satelite and hundereds of very smail wireless internet providers. |
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flankspeed8
join:2001-07-20
Saint Paul, MN
clubs:
·Verizon FIOS
| Please tell me how cable is any less a monopoly than the telcos? In fact, at least the telcos have competition with CLEC's selling DSL. How many cable companies have opened up their networks? It is the cable companies that are the bad guys here. At least Verizon is spurring competition by spending 10 BILLION DOLLARS over the next couple of years. |
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Derch
Premium
join:2004-10-16
Tulsa, OK | reply to RedXII1234
You and about half of us cable users are power users. But for the average Joe, $15 looks better than $39+ for a monthly fee. |
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Jamuka
join:2005-06-06
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said by T1 Rocky  :HELL NO! The short term is that we save money while AT&T/Verizon etc pummel the cable companies for the next 2 years. Then when they have wiped out that industry, where's the competition? Then what happens to prices? Stick with the cable companies! Pay now or pay alot more later. The ILECS have wiped out ALL competition in ISP, SDSL and ADSL markets. All that is left are the cable companies, satelite and hundereds of very smail wireless internet providers. So what are you saying, we should all stick with cable so that the telcos disappear and in the process forming a monopoly of their own? That is basically what you are suggesting should happen.
This is what competition is. Multiple companies vying for the consumer's dollar. Verizon is funneling tons of money into FIOS which is really no different than cable, i.e. their own private pipe. I could say the same of Comcast, "Why is my internet bill now $200 per month instead of the $45 I was paying before" can I not?
Its capitalism. The problem comes in when everything starts getting regulaated to death by those who are on the take and don't know anything about what is going on, translation - politicians. |
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rachelsfx
join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL | reply to EL_TB
Like FoxNews, this guy is so Fair & Imbalanced it makes me sick! ROFLMAO!
-Rach |
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viperlmw
Premium
join:2005-01-25
 ·Qwest.net
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I would also point out that the telcos are still pretty heavily regulated, while every other inter-modal competitor is unregulated, including cable. So don't go cryin' about the demise of cable. If that happens, the cable co's have no-one but themselves to blame. |
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truedalife
join:2003-01-10
Brooklyn, MD
| reply to Jamuka
Sometimes unfair competition can hurt other business. Just like the Telcos are doing. It's hard on Cavalier telephone to fairly compete when the Telcos keep undercutting prices, while controlling most of the nations pipelines and phone switching stations.
The Telcos own a lot of the broadband pipe for the internet and have the most hubs (switching stations) where the public telephone lines are connected from other providers wanting to run phone service. The Telcos charge fees for the use of these hubs and charge ISP's for the use of there broadband pipes. So they have a unfair advantage here. They don't have to pay any of these fees.
It's just like Walmart when they come to town. They price there stores so low, with cheap goods they contract someone in China to make for them via cheap labor. The small retail store doesn't have that buying power like Wally-world has. So the mom & pop store can't survive and a whole community watches the local businesses fold up like domino's.
I love reading about townships that won't allow Walmart to set up shop. These folks in these little towns are preserving and protecting the true real American economy. And that's the small business man, people.
Just another red-lined Americans two cents, that's all.
My Quote for the day: "From the poor white trailer parks trash, to the welfare infested Ghetto's......Let FIOS freedom ring!" -----> "NOT!"
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gheezer
Compooters R Us
Premium
join:2002-12-20
Henrietta, NY
| reply to T1 Rocky
said by T1 Rocky :HELL NO! Are we all freekin idiots? The monopoly is restored. Verizon has funneled $90 million into lobbyists over the last 5 years. Let me say it again - 90 MILLION FREEKIN DOLLARS!!!!!! Do you think that those dollars went towards encouraging competition? The short term is that we save money while AT&T/Verizon etc pummel the cable companies for the next 2 years. Then when they have wiped out that industry, where's the competition? Then what happens to prices? In 3 years your going to be posting in this same forum asking, "how come my internet bill to AT&T is $200 per month?" Stick with the cable companies! Pay now or pay alot more later. The ILECS have wiped out ALL competition in ISP, SDSL and ADSL markets. All that is left are the cable companies, satelite and hundereds of very smail wireless internet providers. Don't expect an UNBIASED news story from this site.
I posted this earlier today:
»www.cedmagazine.com/article/CA6333193.html
Connecticut has crumbled to AT&T lobbying efforts. IPTV is now classified as a data service. The Cable company is crippled now in Connecticut. Just a matter of time before the same classification hits all your states.
The "Pundits" here, don't consider this a newsworthy article.
I think I will stop posting here. Forever. Karl and Justin are in bed with SBC/AT&T/Verizon and Qwest.
Bullshit walks dudes. Bias doesn't cut it. But hey....it's you're site.
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to Derch
I can get that $15 unbundled (makes it more like $29 after adding dialtone).
Cable HSI starts at $42.95 (+taxes/fees) bundled and goes up to $56.95 unbundled.
I need reliability/consistancy more than 6 or 8Mbps. |
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ashworth
join:2001-10-06
Pittsburgh, PA | reply to RedXII1234
VZ DSL for 14.95/yr with online signup or 17.99 otherwise. Cable will not come down to serve the lower tier customer.
Reg VZ DSL in my area 29.95 for 3/768, which is comparable to the cable in the area 4/256, go figure. |
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91439306
15,000 Watts of Bass Power
join:2002-10-16
New Milford, CT | reply to EL_TB
For me, switching to DSL was a slam dunk. 3/256 for $51.99 with Cable, or 6/768 for $29.99 with DSL. No effort to make that decision.  |
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schmol
join:2001-12-26
Windsor, PA
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said by en102 :I can get that $15 unbundled (makes it more like $29 after adding dialtone). Cable HSI starts at $42.95 (+taxes/fees) bundled and goes up to $56.95 unbundled. I need reliability/consistancy more than 6 or 8Mbps. Don't forget, if yopu don't have their cable service, they will add more to your broadband bill. Well, that's what Comcrap does. |
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CableTool
Poorly Representing MYSELF.
Premium
join:2004-11-12 | Or if you DO have their video service they will DISCOUNT your HSI service.  |
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs:
·Comcast Formerly ..
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You do realize that is against the law what you "think" the telcos are doing right ? There is a reason why verizon verizon on line and verizon wireless are separate companies.
Verizon broadband is a sub company of verizon themselves. Verizon owns the pipes. Verizon on line leases them from verizon and every other provider can lease them from verizon to.
Verizon's complaint was they were being forced to sell the lines to competitors for cheaper then it was charging its own sub company.
Kind of weird eh ?
And on the Walmart part blame yourself and all your friends who want more money in their pocket for other things like the huge escalades. People are so short sighted to blame the company when in all reality it is us the people who are greedy and wanting more for less.
Walmart and others feed a need , a need for cheap goods. If the need was gone so would Walmart be. But greed stops that from happening. Don't be so holy. You cant blame people in a GLOBAL market for driving a local business under.
Don't like it you and all your friends start buying from local shops. Can you do it ? Can they do it ? I know I tried and it made a huge difference at the end of a month.
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T1 Rocky
join:2002-11-15
Dallas, TX
·tw telecom
·ygnitionnet
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May 11th, @06:08PM
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Your not getting it. The cable companies are the ones who will be extinct in 3 years. Then you have no competition. Thus no alternatives. Thus higher bills.
The phone companies were forced to "open up" their networks. Ask anyone who has ever sold ADSL or SDSL how open it is. You can usually find them in other industries now. When was the last time you heard/saw an ad for an internet service provider besides a telco or a cable company? Can you name a local ISP in your town? Can you name an ISP in the US besides AOL and earthlink?
The 10 BILLION dollars that they are going to spend is money YOU GAVE THEM AS A TAX PAYER!!!!! Look at your phone bill and when you see "rural such and such fee" that is money they take from you over the last 10 years, regardless of if you have internet access or not, to build out their networks. Check this out »www.techdirt.com/articles/200601···_F.shtml
How do they do that? Lobbyist money. They go to their buddy in the senator, give him 3 million dollars and say, "you know, if everyone in America gave us $2.50 per month, we could really build out a cool network alot faster." Then legislation is passed so that the poor telcos have to collect an extra $2.50 per month from every American on their phone bill. That money does not go to the government, it stays with the telco. |
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