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server naming convention advice

We are bringing our first cluster servers online shortly. Need to name them, but not sure what to call them.

My thinking is the name should be able to support 2 things. One, you may have more than 1 cluster. Two, you may have many nodes inside the cluster.

Any advice or opinions?

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said by tomkb See Profile :

We are bringing our first cluster servers online shortly. Need to name them, but not sure what to call them.

My thinking is the name should be able to support 2 things. One, you may have more than 1 cluster. Two, you may have many nodes inside the cluster.
You have many options: some frequent naming options are based on mythology (Greek, Roman gods) or celestial bodies (planets, stars, constellations, etc).

Or, use your imagination: Monopoly properties (based on Atlantic City street names); rivers; mountains; insects; historical figures...

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said by tomkb See Profile :

We are bringing our first cluster servers online shortly. Need to name them, but not sure what to call them.

My thinking is the name should be able to support 2 things. One, you may have more than 1 cluster. Two, you may have many nodes inside the cluster.

Any advice or opinions?
Overall, you need to know, what TYPE of naming scheme you want: technical (e.g., orclus01) or cutesie (e.g., bob).

For clusters, it depends on the type of cluster. If it's a compute cluster (e.g., a render farm) where you have the potential to add an infinite number of nodes, then cutsie names are kind of pointless.

If they are to be active/passive paired failover clusters, then twin names are common (frick and frack, heckle and jeckle, pollux and castor, etc.).

If they have the potential of growing, but by a finite size, then a naming theme like characters in a comic (Xmen and Brotherhood names are good in this regard) is fairly common.

Any way, if you can tell us the type of naming you're looking for, we can probably better help you with a convention.

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I prefer 'cutesie' - I can remember bob, carol, ted, alice better than I can remember ussrv01a, ussrv512, ukeng21, etc.

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I prefer 'cutesie' - I can remember bob, carol, ted, alice better than I can remember ussrv01a, ussrv512, ukeng21, etc.
Likewise. People just tend to look askew at the names I chose. Our old DMZ web servers were "crash" and "burn". Used to have a development host at my previous job that I named "coredump". I named a four-node cluster after The Young Ones.

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we try to keep some comical, so if a service dies at 4am and our noc calls us, we can laugh while trying to wake up when told ' dhcp is down on yourmom '

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we try to keep some comical, so if a service dies at 4am and our noc calls us, we can laugh while trying to wake up when told ' dhcp is down on yourmom '
No, that would be "yourmom went down again", or, "dang, yourmom goes down more than a $15 whore".

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said by nixen See Profile :

I named a four-node cluster after The Young Ones.
Nice. Not many fans out there.

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said by nixen See Profile :

I named a four-node cluster after The Young Ones.
Nice. Not many fans out there.
My thoughts exactly - obscure but good choice!

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How about "fruit"? Then the clusters could be names things like "apple," orange," grape," etc. and the nodes in the clusters could be "seeds," "pit," "pulp," "peel," etc. Lol.

Or maybe you could choose a building or house name, and then the clusters could be different rooms and the nodes pieces of furniture within them.

Or "forest," with various "trees," each having different "leaves," "needles," "cones," "sap"...?

It's kind of fun to think of possibilities starting with a theme.

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How about "fruit"? Then the clusters could be names things like "apple," orange," grape," etc. and the nodes in the clusters could be "seeds," "pit," "pulp," "peel," etc. Lol.

Or maybe you could choose a building or house name, and then the clusters could be different rooms and the nodes pieces of furniture within them.

Or "forest," with various "trees," each having different "leaves," "needles," "cones," "sap"...?
When I was at Bell Atalantic, I named our development lab's UNIX systems after demons. Ultimately had to change all their names because someone got "offended".

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No, the cutsie naming is out.

These would be for database servers for our website. There will be 2 servers in this cluster.

But, down the road, I want to have another database cluster for our datawarehouse sql server. This would also have 2 nodes.

didn't know if there was a standard when it came to clustered servers.

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No, the cutsie naming is out.
Then how about not-cute? Name them after mods:

fatness, Mordy, badmagicnumber, etc.


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Within our organization they're named line this:

Production: [Application Name][Scope][Node Number]
For example, the main web server might be named: IISPUB01

IIS = Internet information Services, PUB = Public, Node 01

Dev/Test: [OS][Landscape][Node Number]
Example: AIXTH01

AIX = AIX 5/L, TH = Test, 01 = Node

This works well for us, but our NOC is small compared to larger companies.
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Within our organization they're named line this:

Production: [Application Name][Scope][Node Number]
For example, the main web server might be named: IISPUB01

IIS = Internet information Services, PUB = Public, Node 01

Dev/Test: [OS][Landscape][Node Number]
Example: AIXTH01

AIX = AIX 5/L, TH = Test, 01 = Node

This works well for us, but our NOC is small compared to larger companies.
Gah... are they named such in the public DNS entries? I know customers that would FREAK if that kind of info was in their DNS.

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Certainly not! Outward facing DNS entries are nice and pretty. Internally there isn't much need for pretty DNS, as development teams don't work on more than one project at a time, so there isn't any matter of confusing whether this web app exists on Node for or this one on Node 17. Developers are only working on one app.
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said by yock See Profile :

This works well for us
Wouldn't work well for me - I'm a lousy typist, and there's only one keystroke between 'scheduled shutdown of intended system' and 'ohhhhhhh CRAP !!'.


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This works well for us
Wouldn't work well for me - I'm a lousy typist, and there's only one keystroke between 'scheduled shutdown of intended system' and 'ohhhhhhh CRAP !!'.


Heh, well, thankfully I'm not a NOC associate, so I don't have to worry about it. I should clarify though, it works for "them" =)
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one of my clients calls his servers by animals / bugs, like
beatles, tiger, etc.

we tend to name our own random things, like warrior, cerebrum, etc,

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Use polyhedrons. "Can you check the drives on Great disnub dirhombidodecahedron?"

...at least that's what I would do.

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Use polyhedrons. "Can you check the drives on Great disnub dirhombidodecahedron?"

...at least that's what I would do.
LOL- once upon a time we named our systems after elements in the periodic table. There was a particularly annoying VP who brought in an application against our recommendation. His systems were promptly named yytrium, ytterbium and protactinium. Of course we had DNS aliases set to the elmental symbols so us admins didn't have to type all that. Never told the VP about those aliases though.

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said by Smitedogg See Profile :

Use polyhedrons. "Can you check the drives on Great disnub dirhombidodecahedron?"

...at least that's what I would do.
LOL- once upon a time we named our systems after elements in the periodic table. There was a particularly annoying VP who brought in an application against our recommendation. His systems were promptly named yytrium, ytterbium and protactinium. Of course we had DNS aliases set to the elmental symbols so us admins didn't have to type all that. Never told the VP about those aliases though.
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yytrium, ytterbium and protactinium
Misspelling Yttrium was a particularly nice touch
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Misspelling Yttrium was a particularly nice touch
I knew that didn't look right when I typed it last night. Sure wish I'd have thought of misspelling it when naming those servers though!

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try this, it works for us.

PKDACC01

P = Production (can use a T for test or D for development)
KD = Location (Kansas Data center in this case)
ACC = application name or abbreviation
01 = server number in application cluster

Works for us very well. We know exactly what type of server it is, where it is, what it does.
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said by odeonkreel See Profile :

try this, it works for us.

PKDACC01

P = Production (can use a T for test or D for development)
KD = Location (Kansas Data center in this case)
ACC = application name or abbreviation
01 = server number in application cluster

Works for us very well. We know exactly what type of server it is, where it is, what it does.
Works for us too.
FBCMOMWS135

FBS = First Baptist School
MO = Main Office
MWS = Mobile Works Station (laptop)
135 = office phone extension
and

FBCWCWS117

FBC = First Baptist Church
WC = Welcome Center
WS = Works Station (desktop)
117 = office phone extenstion 117
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function-location-ordinal

SQL-STL-04

This was implemented to replace the old scheme which was

NTS APPL 45
NT Server Application 45th application server.

The old system was changed shortly after we rolled out Exchange, and began getting complaints about the NT SEXCHANGE server.
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Places where I have worked we have used city names to lead it to a Row and then a number to the cage and another number for the blade/shelf on the rack.

Detroit12a Leads us to row D rack 12 top shelf great for troubleshooting routers to
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go greek mythology

(Hercules, Zeus, Morpheus, Apollo, Icarus, Cerberus - the firewall, Atlas, Hypnos) are in my digital sandbox

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said by DSLGuy See Profile :

go greek mythology

(Hercules, Zeus, Morpheus, Apollo, Icarus, Cerberus - the firewall, Atlas, Hypnos) are in my digital sandbox
Everybody does greek mythology. The ones that don't do star Trek or Lord of the Rings themes.

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Upon reflection, I do not wish to post. Take me back!

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Old girlfriends?

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Old girlfriends?
I'd reserve those names for those that are a PITA

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Old girlfriends?
I'd reserve those names for those that are a PITA
Perfect for an Exchange server, perhaps? =)
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Old girlfriends?
I'd reserve those names for those that are a PITA
Perfect for an Exchange server, perhaps? =)
Let's just say that some went down a lot more than others. I pride myself on my uptime.
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Let's just say that some went down a lot more than others.
yourmama.somecompany.com ?

Sorry, couldnt resist
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Having built a few clusters I'd have to recommend a mix of names.

For example...

The whole cluster could be named "Thor" , Admin nodes named hammer-N (where N = the node number, hammer-01, etc), Storage nodes could be called anvil-N, and compute nodes thunder-N or maybe lghtng-N, etc. You could then name your headnodes thor-N. Users would log into thor-01 or thor-02 and everyone can then communicate about nodes by name and you'll know exactly what they're talking about.

User: "Hey admin, my batch job died with an error about anvil-04"

Admin: "Ahh, something's wrong with a storage node.. or maybe somethings wrong with where you're trying to output data to"

Naming your nodes around some theme, but different enough to describe their general role, but still same enough that you can use simple numerics will save you a great deal of time and effort.

User: "Hey admin, my batch job died with an error about ralph"

Admin: "Hmmm... wtf does ralph do again?"
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How can one resist?

"Jan", "Feb", "Mar", ...

"BeanCounter", "BeanCruncher", "BeanMachine", "BeanMultiplier", ...

"Deficit1", "Deficit2","Deficit3", ...



For tenet or ssh, name them using the fourth octet of statically assigned IPs:

"ACCT-111", "ACCT-112", "ACCT-113", ...

After all this great advice
We all are waiting now to hear what you picked
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We got bought out by a big company that names all their machines with cryptic, alphabet-soup names like MPLDORA-1567829. I absolutely HATE that. I have no idea what that machine is or what it does. We name our servers after painters. This is especially handy when machines change roles. It's a lot easier to remember that Monet is the old production DB server that is now the QA DB server. With the cryptic schemes, you have to rename machines when they change roles. It also defeats the purpose of DNS. We wind up remembering the parent company's machines by IP address 'cause they're so much shorter than the host name.

Cutesy schemes can go wrong too, though. I worked in a place where the morale was a little low, especially in the QA dept. The machines in the QA lab had names like "despair", "regret", "apathy", "hindsight", etc.

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I named the boxes in my lab at the office after knights of the round table. I also threw in Killer Rabbit and Holy Hand Grenade when I felt unusual.
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said by raw See Profile :

I named the boxes in my lab at the office after knights of the round table. I also threw in Killer Rabbit and Holy Hand Grenade when I felt unusual.
Not Vorpal-Bunny?

-tom

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I tend to use different themes for classes of servers. As has been mentioned before, function/purpose based naming schemes are not very practical when the server has multiple purposes or the named function gets moved to a different server.

Themes that I have used in the past (not always my ideas):
- Cartoon characters (Peanuts, Winnie the Pooh)
- Movie characters (James Bond, Starwars)
- Japanese Anime
- Flowers
- Stars
- Planets
- Subatomic/Quantum Particles
and many more I don't remember.

I'm currently using a multi-tier theme at work where continents are the site locations, countries within those continents are real servers and cities within those countries are virtual servers (were applicable).

I found that with cutsie names there are far less cases of mistaken identities. They are easier to remember and more distinct.

Given that most servers provide multiple functions a purpose based naming scheme still doesn't eliminate the need to maintain a database of server name and function mappings (unless of course there are so few servers that everybody can remember their functions).
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Why don't you go simple: DB1, DB2, etc. Easy to remember and you won't need thousands of names in hundreds of locations.

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Personally, I use baseball terms. The laptop is 'gapper', desktop is 'slugger', when I ran a NAT/Firewall box it was 'pitcher', and the network domain/groupname is 'sandlot'.
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Personally, I use baseball terms.
Which machine do you use "juicer" for?
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I am a big fan of the greek mythology theme, but as mentioned above, it's a bit played at this point. I'm considering going with a new theme now -- Tool song names.

Edit: Hmm, on second hand I think I might go with the elements instead. Song names use words that are too common, and there's always the risk of running out.

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I am a big fan of the greek mythology theme, but as mentioned above, it's a bit played at this point. I'm considering going with a new theme now -- Tool song names.
Yeah, I could almost see naming a mission-critical server "Stinkfist".

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LOL

That's one of the ones I *am* going to use.

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Actually, that would be great for an outbound corporate mail relay. That way, every email that comes from your company has "stinkfist" in the headers.

-tom

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I've used the following:

1. Type of big cats (tiger, ocelot, etc)
2. Elements (hydrogen, helium, etc)
3. Trees (elm, oak, pine)
4. Words that start with "g" and ends in "o" (go, goo, guano, etc)
5. Planets (and yes, uranus too)
6. Colors (like shades of blue. Cerulean was my fav name)

My current company's new system is:
Company-Country-City-Type-NodeNumber
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I've used the following:

1. Type of big cats (tiger, ocelot, etc)
Ocelots aren't terribly big.

said by turbonium See Profile :

2. Elements (hydrogen, helium, etc)
3. Trees (elm, oak, pine)
Segue into a Monty Python theme with "The Larch".

said by turbonium See Profile :

4. Words that start with "g" and ends in "o" (go, goo, guano, etc)
5. Planets (and yes, uranus too)
"Where should I put this hard drive?"
"Stick it in Uranus"

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