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| server naming convention advice We are bringing our first cluster servers online shortly. Need to name them, but not sure what to call them.
My thinking is the name should be able to support 2 things. One, you may have more than 1 cluster. Two, you may have many nodes inside the cluster.
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| Re: server naming convention advice said by tomkb :We are bringing our first cluster servers online shortly. Need to name them, but not sure what to call them. My thinking is the name should be able to support 2 things. One, you may have more than 1 cluster. Two, you may have many nodes inside the cluster. You have many options: some frequent naming options are based on mythology (Greek, Roman gods) or celestial bodies (planets, stars, constellations, etc).
Or, use your imagination: Monopoly properties (based on Atlantic City street names); rivers; mountains; insects; historical figures... | |
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| said by tomkb :We are bringing our first cluster servers online shortly. Need to name them, but not sure what to call them. My thinking is the name should be able to support 2 things. One, you may have more than 1 cluster. Two, you may have many nodes inside the cluster. Any advice or opinions? Overall, you need to know, what TYPE of naming scheme you want: technical (e.g., orclus01) or cutesie (e.g., bob).
For clusters, it depends on the type of cluster. If it's a compute cluster (e.g., a render farm) where you have the potential to add an infinite number of nodes, then cutsie names are kind of pointless.
If they are to be active/passive paired failover clusters, then twin names are common (frick and frack, heckle and jeckle, pollux and castor, etc.).
If they have the potential of growing, but by a finite size, then a naming theme like characters in a comic (Xmen and Brotherhood names are good in this regard) is fairly common.
Any way, if you can tell us the type of naming you're looking for, we can probably better help you with a convention. 
-tom -- "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficial. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." -Louis D Brandeis | |
|  |  dave Premium,MVM join:2000-05-04 not in ohio | Re: server naming convention advice I prefer 'cutesie' - I can remember bob, carol, ted, alice better than I can remember ussrv01a, ussrv512, ukeng21, etc. | |
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| Re: server naming convention advice said by dave :I prefer 'cutesie' - I can remember bob, carol, ted, alice better than I can remember ussrv01a, ussrv512, ukeng21, etc. Likewise. People just tend to look askew at the names I chose. Our old DMZ web servers were "crash" and "burn". Used to have a development host at my previous job that I named "coredump". I named a four-node cluster after The Young Ones.
-tom -- "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficial. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." -Louis D Brandeis | |
|  |  |  |   jmirabella Joe Mirabella Premium,VIP join:2003-10-20 Lanham, MD clubs: | Re: server naming convention advice we try to keep some comical, so if a service dies at 4am and our noc calls us, we can laugh while trying to wake up when told ' dhcp is down on yourmom ' | |
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| Re: server naming convention advice said by jmirabella :we try to keep some comical, so if a service dies at 4am and our noc calls us, we can laugh while trying to wake up when told ' dhcp is down on yourmom ' No, that would be "yourmom went down again", or, "dang, yourmom goes down more than a $15 whore".
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| said by nixen :I named a four-node cluster after The Young Ones. Nice. Not many fans out there. | |
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| Re: server naming convention advice said by benyto :said by nixen :I named a four-node cluster after The Young Ones. Nice. Not many fans out there. My thoughts exactly - obscure but good choice!
Neil: "Open up.... its the pigs." | |
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| How about "fruit"? Then the clusters could be names things like "apple," orange," grape," etc. and the nodes in the clusters could be "seeds," "pit," "pulp," "peel," etc. Lol.
Or maybe you could choose a building or house name, and then the clusters could be different rooms and the nodes pieces of furniture within them.
Or "forest," with various "trees," each having different "leaves," "needles," "cones," "sap"...?
It's kind of fun to think of possibilities starting with a theme. | |
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| Re: server naming convention advice said by sybille :How about "fruit"? Then the clusters could be names things like "apple," orange," grape," etc. and the nodes in the clusters could be "seeds," "pit," "pulp," "peel," etc. Lol. Or maybe you could choose a building or house name, and then the clusters could be different rooms and the nodes pieces of furniture within them. Or "forest," with various "trees," each having different "leaves," "needles," "cones," "sap"...? When I was at Bell Atalantic, I named our development lab's UNIX systems after demons. Ultimately had to change all their names because someone got "offended".
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| Re: server naming convention advice said by tomkb :No, the cutsie naming is out. Then how about not-cute? Name them after mods:
fatness, Mordy, badmagicnumber, etc.
 -- Stephen J. Friedl Unix Wizard Microsoft Security MVP Tustin, California USA my web site | |
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| Within our organization they're named line this:
Production: [Application Name][Scope][Node Number] For example, the main web server might be named: IISPUB01
IIS = Internet information Services, PUB = Public, Node 01
Dev/Test: [OS][Landscape][Node Number] Example: AIXTH01
AIX = AIX 5/L, TH = Test, 01 = Node
This works well for us, but our NOC is small compared to larger companies. -- Wiki Wiki First of all, if what I write appears to be too simplified, please excuse me. --Martin | |
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| Re: server naming convention advice said by yock :Within our organization they're named line this: Production: [Application Name][Scope][Node Number] For example, the main web server might be named: IISPUB01 IIS = Internet information Services, PUB = Public, Node 01 Dev/Test: [OS][Landscape][Node Number] Example: AIXTH01 AIX = AIX 5/L, TH = Test, 01 = Node This works well for us, but our NOC is small compared to larger companies. Gah... are they named such in the public DNS entries? I know customers that would FREAK if that kind of info was in their DNS.
-tom -- "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficial. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." -Louis D Brandeis | |
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| Re: server naming convention advice Certainly not! Outward facing DNS entries are nice and pretty. Internally there isn't much need for pretty DNS, as development teams don't work on more than one project at a time, so there isn't any matter of confusing whether this web app exists on Node for or this one on Node 17. Developers are only working on one app. -- Wiki Wiki First of all, if what I write appears to be too simplified, please excuse me. --Martin | |
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| Re: server naming convention advice said by dave :said by yock :This works well for us Wouldn't work well for me - I'm a lousy typist, and there's only one keystroke between 'scheduled shutdown of intended system' and 'ohhhhhhh CRAP !!'. Heh, well, thankfully I'm not a NOC associate, so I don't have to worry about it. I should clarify though, it works for "them" =) -- Wiki Wiki First of all, if what I write appears to be too simplified, please excuse me. --Martin | |
|  |  |  |   Maxeh Woot? Premium join:2002-12-23 Chicago, IL clubs: 1 edit | Re: server naming convention advice one of my clients calls his servers by animals / bugs, like beatles, tiger, etc.
we tend to name our own random things, like warrior, cerebrum, etc, | |
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| Re: server naming convention advice said by Smitedogg :Use polyhedrons. "Can you check the drives on Great disnub dirhombidodecahedron?" ...at least that's what I would do. LOL- once upon a time we named our systems after elements in the periodic table. There was a particularly annoying VP who brought in an application against our recommendation. His systems were promptly named yytrium, ytterbium and protactinium. Of course we had DNS aliases set to the elmental symbols so us admins didn't have to type all that. Never told the VP about those aliases though. | |
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| Re: server naming convention advice said by powerhog :said by Smitedogg :Use polyhedrons. "Can you check the drives on Great disnub dirhombidodecahedron?" ...at least that's what I would do. LOL- once upon a time we named our systems after elements in the periodic table. There was a particularly annoying VP who brought in an application against our recommendation. His systems were promptly named yytrium, ytterbium and protactinium. Of course we had DNS aliases set to the elmental symbols so us admins didn't have to type all that. Never told the VP about those aliases though. Solid  -- What has happened to the American imagination if we have become a parody of the Roman empire? | |
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| said by powerhog : yytrium, ytterbium and protactinium Misspelling Yttrium was a particularly nice touch  -- Stephen J. Friedl Unix Wizard Microsoft Security MVP Tustin, California USA my web site | |
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| Re: server naming convention advice said by odeonkreel :try this, it works for us. PKDACC01 P = Production (can use a T for test or D for development) KD = Location (Kansas Data center in this case) ACC = application name or abbreviation 01 = server number in application cluster Works for us very well. We know exactly what type of server it is, where it is, what it does. Works for us too. FBCMOMWS135
FBS = First Baptist School MO = Main Office MWS = Mobile Works Station (laptop) 135 = office phone extension and
FBCWCWS117
FBC = First Baptist Church WC = Welcome Center WS = Works Station (desktop) 117 = office phone extenstion 117 -- Director of Information Technology First Baptist Church, Slidell La 985)643-3456 [work] John.Ball-at-fbcslidell-dot-org
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| Re: server naming convention advice function-location-ordinal
SQL-STL-04
This was implemented to replace the old scheme which was
NTS APPL 45 NT Server Application 45th application server.
The old system was changed shortly after we rolled out Exchange, and began getting complaints about the NT SEXCHANGE server. -- I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend your right to encrypt it. | |
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(Hercules, Zeus, Morpheus, Apollo, Icarus, Cerberus - the firewall, Atlas, Hypnos) are in my digital sandbox | |
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| Re: server naming convention advice said by DSLGuy :go greek mythology (Hercules, Zeus, Morpheus, Apollo, Icarus, Cerberus - the firewall, Atlas, Hypnos) are in my digital sandbox Everybody does greek mythology. The ones that don't do star Trek or Lord of the Rings themes.
-tom -- "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficial. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." -Louis D Brandeis | |
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| Re: server naming convention advice said by No_Strings :Old girlfriends? I'd reserve those names for those that are a PITA | |
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| Re: server naming convention advice said by FLea973 :said by No_Strings :Old girlfriends? I'd reserve those names for those that are a PITA Perfect for an Exchange server, perhaps? =) -- Wiki Wiki First of all, if what I write appears to be too simplified, please excuse me. --Martin | |
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| Re: server naming convention advice said by yock :said by FLea973 :said by No_Strings :Old girlfriends? I'd reserve those names for those that are a PITA Perfect for an Exchange server, perhaps? =) Let's just say that some went down a lot more than others. I pride myself on my uptime. -- Tobacco-free since 1995 | |
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| Re: server naming convention advice said by No_Strings :Let's just say that some went down a lot more than others. yourmama.somecompany.com ?
Sorry, couldnt resist  -- I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend your right to encrypt it. | |
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| Having built a few clusters I'd have to recommend a mix of names.
For example...
The whole cluster could be named "Thor" , Admin nodes named hammer-N (where N = the node number, hammer-01, etc), Storage nodes could be called anvil-N, and compute nodes thunder-N or maybe lghtng-N, etc. You could then name your headnodes thor-N. Users would log into thor-01 or thor-02 and everyone can then communicate about nodes by name and you'll know exactly what they're talking about.
User: "Hey admin, my batch job died with an error about anvil-04"
Admin: "Ahh, something's wrong with a storage node.. or maybe somethings wrong with where you're trying to output data to"
Naming your nodes around some theme, but different enough to describe their general role, but still same enough that you can use simple numerics will save you a great deal of time and effort.
User: "Hey admin, my batch job died with an error about ralph"
Admin: "Hmmm... wtf does ralph do again?" -- Never surrender, never go down. | |
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2 edits | How can one resist? 
"Jan", "Feb", "Mar", ...
"BeanCounter", "BeanCruncher", "BeanMachine", "BeanMultiplier", ...
"Deficit1", "Deficit2","Deficit3", ...
For tenet or ssh, name them using the fourth octet of statically assigned IPs:
"ACCT-111", "ACCT-112", "ACCT-113", ...
After all this great adviceWe all are waiting now to hear what you picked  -- Jim -- USA2K SEE: |DCWU |FP |FAH |BVX REVIEW | FWD, Vonage 01/03-12/04, 04/06-now | |
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| We got bought out by a big company that names all their machines with cryptic, alphabet-soup names like MPLDORA-1567829. I absolutely HATE that. I have no idea what that machine is or what it does. We name our servers after painters. This is especially handy when machines change roles. It's a lot easier to remember that Monet is the old production DB server that is now the QA DB server. With the cryptic schemes, you have to rename machines when they change roles. It also defeats the purpose of DNS. We wind up remembering the parent company's machines by IP address 'cause they're so much shorter than the host name.
Cutesy schemes can go wrong too, though. I worked in a place where the morale was a little low, especially in the QA dept. The machines in the QA lab had names like "despair", "regret", "apathy", "hindsight", etc. | |
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| I named the boxes in my lab at the office after knights of the round table. I also threw in Killer Rabbit and Holy Hand Grenade when I felt unusual. -- [BBR]raw America's Army BBR Enemy Territory clan founder | |
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| Re: server naming convention advice said by raw :I named the boxes in my lab at the office after knights of the round table. I also threw in Killer Rabbit and Holy Hand Grenade when I felt unusual. Not Vorpal-Bunny?
-tom | |
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| Re: server naming convention advice said by yock :Personally, I use baseball terms. Which machine do you use "juicer" for? -- Stephen J. Friedl Unix Wizard Microsoft Security MVP Tustin, California USA my web site | |
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| Re: server naming convention advice said by Daniel :I am a big fan of the greek mythology theme, but as mentioned above, it's a bit played at this point. I'm considering going with a new theme now -- Tool song names. Yeah, I could almost see naming a mission-critical server "Stinkfist".
-tom -- "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficial. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." -Louis D Brandeis | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |   nixen Rockin' the Boxen Premium join:2002-10-04 Alexandria, VA | Re: server naming convention advice Actually, that would be great for an outbound corporate mail relay. That way, every email that comes from your company has "stinkfist" in the headers. 
-tom | |
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| I've used the following:
1. Type of big cats (tiger, ocelot, etc) 2. Elements (hydrogen, helium, etc) 3. Trees (elm, oak, pine) 4. Words that start with "g" and ends in "o" (go, goo, guano, etc) 5. Planets (and yes, uranus too) 6. Colors (like shades of blue. Cerulean was my fav name)
My current company's new system is: Company-Country-City-Type-NodeNumber -- "Who is the boss of you? Me! I am the boss of you!"Mir Yannick, The Grand Inquisitor of Zork | |
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| Re: server naming convention advice said by turbonium :I've used the following: 1. Type of big cats (tiger, ocelot, etc) Ocelots aren't terribly big.
said by turbonium :2. Elements (hydrogen, helium, etc) 3. Trees (elm, oak, pine) Segue into a Monty Python theme with "The Larch".
said by turbonium :4. Words that start with "g" and ends in "o" (go, goo, guano, etc) 5. Planets (and yes, uranus too) "Where should I put this hard drive?" "Stick it in Uranus"
-tom -- "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficial. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." -Louis D Brandeis | |
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