N O Y B
St. John 3.16
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Re: Security Absurdity: A long-overdue wake up call
I didn’t say anything about network administrators. I said corporations.
I didn’t say ISP are the police. But neither am I, but I and they as well can be held accountable for negligence, i.e. knowingly permitting someone to use their resources (network) in pursuit of illegal activity. |
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N O Y B
St. John 3.16
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Forest Grove, OR
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said by devicenull  :You have to be very careful automatically shutting down clients. What if I want to run a Nessus or Nmap scan on a server I own? With any type of automated system, you run the risk of it flagging that and taking action.. Server could have many IP addresses with different services on each.. And why would it ever need to repeatedly pound on mine or anyone’s firewall with unsolicited traffic? |
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Kiwi
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said by N O Y B :Suppose a corporation knowingly permits the use of their resources for illegal activity and does nothing meaningfully significant to prevent such activity, should they not be held responsible for resulting damages? ISPs currently do knowingly permit the use of their resources (their privately owned and operated network) for illegal activity and in many cases could put automated systems in place to detect, block and shutdown offending customer connections. That's another and entirely separate issue, Network Administrators are accountable for knowing their job. Permissions and Admin rights are controlled, or should be. I think you are not entirely realistic in what an Admin does or is, in a corporate environment.
An ISP provides access to the net, they are not the Police.
Most users could do with censorship @ least @ some level, even on their own PC! Too many really stupid click happy idiots running around, infecting everyone with AIDS -Artificial & Indecent Decisions Serviced 
Some people should simply be licensed, before they are allowed to access the net. But it's still not an ISP issue.
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devicenull
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You have to be very careful automatically shutting down clients. What if I want to run a Nessus or Nmap scan on a server I own? With any type of automated system, you run the risk of it flagging that and taking action.. Server could have many IP addresses with different services on each.. |
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N O Y B
St. John 3.16
join:2005-12-15
Forest Grove, OR
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Yes, one should practice defensive driving so to speak. But there is still the other half of the equation which is the ISP should not knowingly allow illegal use of their network.
Moving off the road thing.
Suppose a corporation knowingly permits the use of their resources for illegal activity and does nothing meaningfully significant to prevent such activity, should they not be held responsible for resulting damages?
ISPs currently do knowingly permit the use of their resources (their privately owned and operated network) for illegal activity and in many cases could put automated systems in place to detect, block and shutdown offending customer connections. |
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Kiwi
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said by N O Y B :Not all road are state owned. Applies to privately owned roads too. ISPs are a private road to the public internet. Because I feel like a 'Shindig' @ this moment, good comeback But, one outa check the share quota's on their 'Private' ISP  It still does not excuse people who don't attempt to practice safe hex. This World is far more advanced in this day & time, with respect to the internet and some prudent precautions are not necessary, but mandatory; or one will quickly lose their identity in a most literal sense.
Ownership is still the problem of the surfer, not the ISP!
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N O Y B
St. John 3.16
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Forest Grove, OR
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Not all road are state owned. Applies to privately owned roads too.
ISPs are a private road to the public internet. |
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Kiwi
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said by N O Y B :Owners of roads are also responsible for their condition is suitable for safe travel and if not setting up a road block to keep traffic out. That's a State issue and tax paid! Nothing like the internet or an ISP. Guess we have to move off the road thing, before it gets crazy
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N O Y B
St. John 3.16
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Forest Grove, OR | reply to Kiwi
Owners of roads are also responsible for their condition is suitable for safe travel and if not setting up a road block to keep traffic out.
Just like in many places the home owner is responsible for the sidewalk in front of their house. |
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Kiwi
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I don't know that an ISP should be held accountable for traffic, they are providing the 'Road' for access and that's pretty much it. Though some by request go the extra yard when something 'Phissy' is going on and will log traffic activity at a customers request. But of course where would one draw the line...100 miles out...three hundred...Lol
I don't expect much and my ISP would not do much, if I didn't @ least make efforts to secure in a reasonable fashion.
Damn, I'm reminded how much I appreciate my ISP
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