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| CA Real Estate Market Study From First American Financial, a study that discusses the cyclical nature of the real estate market. For markets with strong cycles, the Los Angeles area is used as one examples.
I'm in no position to judge the objectivity of this paper, but it does cover the basics: defining terms, citing examples with supporting data. It does not read like a giant advertisement.
With our frequent discussions about the market and its impact on all of us, I thought it was relevant.
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1 edit | Re: CA Real Estate Market Study Cali real estate hyper-inflated market is headed for another crash, that much is certain. It will make the last one that occured a decade ago look like a day at the beach in comparison. Even if you know absolutely nothing about the market, it's common sense that what goes up must always come down. And given the way things have been on Main Street, U.S.A., and the way the shitheads in D.C. have been looting the federal treasury, we are headed for some serious shit to hit the fan in a big, big way. -- Choose Net Neutrality Now or Lose It: www.savetheinternet.com www.spikedhumor.com/articles/28228/Death_Of_The_Internet.html | |
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| SoCal is in for a big correction in prices. The fed lowered rates to reduce the effect of the tech bubble to spur the availability of cheap money. In effect adding fuel to the fire. Lots of properties purchased with sketchy loan products like short term ARMs with teaser rates. Inventory is starting to build rapidly and if history repeats itself we should see the really price drops happen in 8-12 months when investors can not hold anymore.
Historically in California the affordability rate has been around 40% on average. Now it is sitting in the low teens.
There are a few factors that would help retain some of the prices from dropping off. Inflation across the board including salaries. Availability of longer loans like a 40 or 50 year term mortgage. Local economic stimulus like a new company coming to town with more local jobs created.
If I was to guess I would think that the fed is going to try to deflate us out of debt like we have done in the past. -- Bush has spent more $$$ than all other presidents combined in over 200 years!!! Trade Entertainment Book Coupons | |
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| hmmm.. how to keep something of value around (cash? copper?) so that one can purchase one of the multitudes of homes to be sold at auction when payments aren't made.... -- A man compounded of law and gospel is able to cheat a whole country with his religion and then destroy them under color of law. -Ben Franklin | |
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| i see 10-20% correction, no more unless we have an earthquake . Also, what comes down will go back up. From 92/93 sales in socal were flat thru 1997. Starting from 97-to present price been going up. Usuall cycle is around 5-6 years, we are currently in uncharter waters. Lets not forgfet UCLA been predicting for big correct for the last 6 years and it haven't happened yet. | |
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I have been hearing that for almost 5 years myself. They might stop going up as fast, but they won't go down. | |
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| Re: CA Real Estate Market Study said by jinjimbob :"SoCal is in for a big correction in prices." I have been hearing that for almost 5 years myself. They might stop going up as fast, but they won't go down. Then answer me this, what made the prices go sky high? Do you think the reversal of the same thing might cause the reverse effect?
Here is a clue: Interest rates and lending practices -- Bush has spent more $$$ than all other presidents combined in over 200 years!!! Trade Entertainment Book Coupons | |
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join:2001-01-05 Hacienda Heights, CA | Re: CA Real Estate Market Study i think it's more a function of demand. and that isn't reversing. | |
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| said by laserjobs :said by jinjimbob :"SoCal is in for a big correction in prices." I have been hearing that for almost 5 years myself. They might stop going up as fast, but they won't go down. Then answer me this, what made the prices go sky high? Do you think the reversal of the same thing might cause the reverse effect? Here is a clue: Interest rates and lending practices Demand, prices in California historically always been much higher then average prices across the world. Yes prices will go down but it will not crash like some people think it will. UCLA been saying 10% reduction for the last 3-4 years will happen and it haven't happened yet. The main reason why price may go down is because majority of speculators have left california real estate marketed and moved to Nevada. I am talking about those that buy the property hold it for 2-3 month and then sell it. Also prop 13 does help price stay up.
It seems people on this board want the prices to go down and praying it will go down because a)they can't afford the prices b)they can't immagine them self paying so much for the property. If you are in the b catigory then i am afraid you will have to wait for long time before you see high enough reduction in real estate prices | |
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| Re: CA Real Estate Market Study said by 81399672 :said by laserjobs :said by jinjimbob :"SoCal is in for a big correction in prices." I have been hearing that for almost 5 years myself. They might stop going up as fast, but they won't go down. Then answer me this, what made the prices go sky high? Do you think the reversal of the same thing might cause the reverse effect? Here is a clue: Interest rates and lending practices Demand, prices in California historically always been much higher then average prices across the world. Yes prices will go down but it will not crash like some people think it will. UCLA been saying 10% reduction for the last 3-4 years will happen and it haven't happened yet. The main reason why price may go down is because majority of speculators have left california real estate marketed and moved to Nevada. I am talking about those that buy the property hold it for 2-3 month and then sell it. Also prop 13 does help price stay up. It seems people on this board want the prices to go down and praying it will go down because a)they can't afford the prices b)they can't immagine them self paying so much for the property. If you are in the b catigory then i am afraid you will have to wait for long time before you see high enough reduction in real estate prices Why would the prices go down 10% in the last 3-4 years? There was no fundamental change that happened in those years to create a turn. Actually there was "creative" options developed to add fuel to the fire (interest only adjustable rate hybrids and 40-50 terms) Now we have a market full of speculators, questionable lending and rising interest rates with affordability at an all time low. Get out in the field and tell me their is not slowing market momentum and rising inventories.
When inventories go over the 9 month supply range then we will see the drop happen. It takes time for sellers to succumb to pressure of lowing prices so inventory rises first.
The only thing an open house is good for these days is to provide the neighbors with some free snacks.  -- Bush has spent more $$$ than all other presidents combined in over 200 years!!! Trade Entertainment Book Coupons | |
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| Re: CA Real Estate Market Study said by laserjobs :The only thing an open house is good for these days is to provide the neighbors with some free snacks. in some areas and at some prices. i'd agree with some orange county spots, maybe west la, houses above the 1.2 mill pricepoint, but east of the 710, in the $400-800k range, open houses aren't needed, the houses get offers within a week (days) of being on the market site unseen. the cocktail sausages are a waste of money. -- A man compounded of law and gospel is able to cheat a whole country with his religion and then destroy them under color of law. -Ben Franklin | |
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| Re: CA Real Estate Market Study said by jig :said by laserjobs :The only thing an open house is good for these days is to provide the neighbors with some free snacks. in some areas and at some prices. i'd agree with some orange county spots, maybe west la, houses above the 1.2 mill pricepoint, but east of the 710, in the $400-800k range, open houses aren't needed, the houses get offers within a week (days) of being on the market site unseen. the cocktail sausages are a waste of money. Just remember "shit rolls downhill". Higher priced properties will see the effects first. One of my friends has a $10 Million plus estate he has not been able to move for 2 years because the buyer pool dried up. Now it is starting to hit the $1-2 Million price points. Soon it will take the lower end markets. Because real estate is a local market some areas will be less effected than others. Unfortunately all of California looks like it is overbought at this time.
I don't know what Open Houses you have been going to but I have been eating sushi and drinking good wine.  -- Bush has spent more $$$ than all other presidents combined in over 200 years!!! Trade Entertainment Book Coupons | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |   81399672 Premium join:2006-05-17 Los Angeles, CA | Re: CA Real Estate Market Study you're taking about 10mil property, yes those will be on market for long time. Anything below 1 mil is being sold with out much problems. Btw, i must be going to wrong open houses i rarely ever see food | |
|  |  |  |  |   81399672 Premium join:2006-05-17 Los Angeles, CA | You will have to ask UCLA economics why they predicts for the last 3-4 years that real estate prices will go down 10%. I personally didn't see it but do see it now. With that being said, i do not see what other seem to which is real estate collapse | |
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| said by laserjobs :said by jinjimbob :"SoCal is in for a big correction in prices." I have been hearing that for almost 5 years myself. They might stop going up as fast, but they won't go down. Then answer me this, what made the prices go sky high? Do you think the reversal of the same thing might cause the reverse effect? Here is a clue: Interest rates and lending practices While true the lenders are offering creative loans. But the 40 and 50 year loans really don't offer a lower payment.
People are moving to California from other countries, where they were used to substandard living conditions in cramp quarters. Whole families move here, club together to buy a huge house with a monstor mortgage, living in the same house with multiple generations.
Most of us wouldn't dream of this, its very un-American-like. But for newer Americans, they think splitting a $6k mortgage 6 ways between 6 wage earners is the best thing since sliced bread, and they feel lucky. | |
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| In so much of California if you own a home, you are set, if you are like me and have yet to own one, but hope to someday, then things don't look so bright. I love this state more than anything, but the real estate prices need to be reigned in, and soon. -- See the BOOMING railroads of today&tommorrow »www.gorail.org See HEAVY DUTY freight&passenger action@ the Galesburg, IL RailCam! »205.245.189.161:1100/ THE BEST way2travel-»www.amtrak.com »www.amtrakcalifornia.com | |
|  |   No_Strings Premium,Mod join:2001-11-22 The OC | Re: CA Real Estate Market Study Even with the relatively lower prices up there, fairly low interest rates, I'd would have thought that a conductor's wages would cover a mortgage and then some. No?
(I have no idea what the pay range is for that.) | |
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1 edit | Re: CA Real Estate Market Study Well, Conductor's and Engineer's can earn anywhere from 40K-100K, depending on time employed, seniority rank, time spent on long runs over the line (ie.San Diego to Barstow) vs. locals (ie.San Bernardino to San Jacinto and Perris) or yard jobs (ie.switching in Barstow or LA), etc. Of course, take taxes out, figure in food, utilities, kids, etc, and with the high prices of homes in many areas, it can be tough, or not even possible. -- See the BOOMING railroads of today&tommorrow »www.gorail.org See HEAVY DUTY freight&passenger action@ the Galesburg, IL RailCam! »205.245.189.161:1100/ THE BEST way2travel- »www.amtrak.com »www.amtrakcalifornia.com | |
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| Re: CA Real Estate Market Study Wait a minute. All along, I'm thinking that RR Conductor is a rr conductor. I recall reading a big fanfare/flourish thread over a year ago about being accepted or hired or something. Have I been mislead, or did I simply assume too much? | |
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| I read this report in it's entirety. The author pretty much states the obvious, however adds his own made up "index" of affordability. He however does not include a complete discussion of current lending practices. The current crop of seemingly unregulated, zero risk to the buyer, mortgage products are indeed the real culprit here. Without that discussion, I think the author falls flat on his face.
We all purchase on price or terms. If I (or anyone) could buy a $3 Million home, for $1 down & $1 per Month, I would. Price is unimportant to me because the terms are so attractive. If someone came to my door the next day and offered $3.5 Million because his terms were $2 down & $2 Month, I would sell...my $500K would be real. And the next day, a knock would come at his door and the pyramid would grow yet again.
Over 50% of ALL mortgages in the past 3 years have been interest-only products. Much akin to minimum down/minimum per month.
In the last 60 days a new mortgage product was introduced; a 50-year, 0 down, negative amortization, pay option, interest only adjustable rate mortgage. Targeted at financially-challenged subprime customers. This literally means a person or couple, with a 560 FICO, can purchase a $1 Million home, with no money down (other than closing) for less than $3200/Mo. Of course there is a helluva balloon payment down the road.
Again, this is why real estate has been over inflated. There were many people that believed in the dot-com stock market, many believed Enron was not a house of cards. At the end of the day we all realized it was simply a giant Ponzi scheme.
Like the dot com era, at some point, the party must come to an end and the piper must be paid. The two immutable dynamics are interest rates, and the adjustment horizon for existing ARM's. As I pointed out in other threads here, the reality is real household income can not support the weight of adjusted payments, and therefore will not justify housing values. | |
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| Re: CA Real Estate Market Study said by dogma :Like the dot com era, at some point, the party must come to an end and the piper must be paid. The two immutable dynamics are interest rates, and the adjustment horizon for existing ARM's. As I pointed out in other threads here, the reality is real household income can not support the weight of adjusted payments, and therefore will not justify housing values. Exactly right. Even more so, incomes have not kept up with the speculation in the housing market. On top of all that, people forget what the SoCal housing market was like 10-15 years ago...
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1 edit | What I have been hearing lately is a total 180 degree change in sediment. It has moved from "priced out" to "priced in". Meaning that people are not going to be priced out of the market like so many like to believe but they will be priced in because they have to stay in the house because of negative equity and huge debt accumulation.
Now I do not believe either side of the story. The only way someone would be priced out of the market is they are not keeping up with inflation. On the other side if the equity on the house becomes negative then just hand in the keys to the bank and take your lumps. -- Bush has spent more $$$ than all other presidents combined in over 200 years!!! Trade Entertainment Book Coupons | |
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| Re: CA Real Estate Market Study Actually in the recent years it was pretty easy to be priced out. Prices of the houses have been going up at higher rate then the wages during the same time. Unless a person(couple) made 100k+ a year, it was pretty easy for them to be priced out if they waited to long to get in to real estate market and wanted to buy in neighberhood that was out of their reach. | |
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| Re: CA Real Estate Market Study said by 81399672 :Actually in the recent years it was pretty easy to be priced out. Prices of the houses have been going up at higher rate then the wages during the same time. Unless a person(couple) made 100k+ a year, it was pretty easy for them to be priced out if they waited to long to get in to real estate market and wanted to buy in neighberhood that was out of their reach. I agree that some people may be "priced out" or "priced in" with an affordability index of around 12%. It will eventually reverse to be around 40% again and then it will be a real buyers market. -- Bush has spent more $$$ than all other presidents combined in over 200 years!!! Trade Entertainment Book Coupons | |
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| said by laserjobs :The only way someone would be priced out of the market is they are not keeping up with inflation. Not keeping pace with an over-heated housing market can be quite different, even if you're keeping pace with inflation.
said by laserjobs :On the other side if the equity on the house becomes negative then just hand in the keys to the bank and take your lumps. Unless you care about your credit and the consequences of defaulting on a loan.
After living through some perpetually flat markets, I watched the Houston collapse in the 80s and experienced the last SoCal correction up close. When I moved here in 1990, I saw people standing three deep to bid over the asking price for homes as others taking out equity to pay for cars (not college or home improvements ... cars). I waited it out - even took a capital gains hit on my house in No. VA. I'm not smart enough to predict how these things will go, so I take a conservative approach: Bought at what seemed to be a good time ('94) and have done several major improvement projects. All were funded with cash and should add some value to the home.
I've missed out on a lot of opportunity in the stock and real estate markets by being too conservative, but I sleep better knowing that I could ride out anything short of a collapse and extended unemployment. Plus, I get the smug satisfaction of knowing I'm living in a house I couldn't afford to buy.  | |
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| Re: CA Real Estate Market Study said by No_Strings :said by laserjobs :The only way someone would be priced out of the market is they are not keeping up with inflation. Not keeping pace with an over-heated housing market can be quite different, even if you're keeping pace with inflation. said by laserjobs :On the other side if the equity on the house becomes negative then just hand in the keys to the bank and take your lumps. Unless you care about your credit and the consequences of defaulting on a loan.
After living through some perpetually flat markets, I watched the Houston collapse in the 80s and experienced the last SoCal correction up close. When I moved here in 1990, I saw people standing three deep to bid over the asking price for homes as others taking out equity to pay for cars (not college or home improvements ... cars). I waited it out - even took a capital gains hit on my house in No. VA. I'm not smart enough to predict how these things will go, so I take a conservative approach: Bought at what seemed to be a good time ('94) and have done several major improvement projects. All were funded with cash and should add some value to the home. I've missed out on a lot of opportunity in the stock and real estate markets by being too conservative, but I sleep better knowing that I could ride out anything short of a collapse and extended unemployment. Plus, I get the smug satisfaction of knowing I'm living in a house I couldn't afford to buy. An over-heated housing market will eventually cool and has to meet market affordability and demand. If too many people are priced out then houses do not sell. It is all about supply and demand. Actually average housing gains have been only around 4.8% over the last 50 years. Which coincidentally has been around the same as wage growth.
Watch the bankruptcies go through the roof because of people over extending credit.Some people are not going to have a choice if the equity on their home goes negative. I read somewhere that 30% of people who bought in 2005 now have negative equity in their homes. The lenders and realtors are a lot to blame here for acting as an authority and selling uneducated investors on questionable lending products just to purchase a home. I foresee a lot of lawsuits in the next few years.
Being conservative is not a bad thing. Most people trying to time the markets get to greedy and end up losing their shirts. As Warren Buffet says "You don't know who is wearing shorts until the tide goes out".
I can tell you I also "missed out" on the stock market and I am sure glad I did since I did not know much about investing at the time. I did however buy real estate in 1997 and sell in 2005 based on market fundamentals based on rent prices, mortgage payments, affordability, momentum and lending types. -- Bush has spent more $$$ than all other presidents combined in over 200 years!!! Trade Entertainment Book Coupons | |
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| Re: CA Real Estate Market Study First rent price must go down before the real estate cool down can even begin. Currently monthly rent price for a appartment is going up which means the real estate market is strong. Once rents starts dropping and it makes more sence to rent then to pay for the house, you may the price drop. Till that happens, the houses will continue being expensive and majority of the people will not be able to afford the first house.
Regarding interest only loans, negative loans et and the lawsuit. Unless real estate broker(sales person) made a mistake of having a client sign all the right forms they will not be liable. | |
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| Re: CA Real Estate Market Study Ylen, I mean,..uh..worldvision, rents are NOT tied to housing cost. The cost of rents goes up in a linear fashion, not a cyclical fashion.
10 years ago rent for a 2 bedroom apartment was $800/Mo around here. Today, it's about $1,400/Mo. So rent went up 70% or 7% a year. The 2 bedroom house next door to that same apartment building was selling for $180K 10 years ago. That same house recently sold for $880K, this is a 500% increase.
Interestingly enough, if you were to purchase the 12-unit apartment building where the 2 bedroom rents for $1400/Mo., it would only cost about 2.5 times more than the 2-bedroom house next to it...even though it has 24 bedrooms. The acquisition cost on apartment property is tied to the income it produces. But more importantly, there are no funky mortgage products allowed for non owner occupied income property. If you want to buy the apartment building, you gotta do it the old fashioned way; at least 20% down and fixed rate at 1.5% higher than for a home. | |
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| I have to agree with dogma. Rents are not tied to housing costs. If this housing market was based on rental cash flows no one would have been buying for the last few years. This housing market boom has been based on appreciation potential. -- Bush has spent more $$$ than all other presidents combined in over 200 years!!! Trade Entertainment Book Coupons | |
|  |   81399672 Premium join:2006-05-17 Los Angeles, CA | Re: CA Real Estate Market Study while it's true that rent is not tied to housing cost, if rent goes dramatically down it will affect real estate prices. | |
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| Re: CA Real Estate Market Study i don't think it will go down before any sales price drops. first the homes go down, then the rents go down gradually to keep pace, but rental owners will pump it up as much as they can along the way, trying to maximize their income. there were at least some shifts in ownership in the rental market, and those guys need to put dents in their mortgages.
the thing with rentals, though, is that their demand market isn't strongly tied to the housing market. especially around colleges, but i think it goes beyond that. younger, more transitory people will naturally tend to seek out rentals, and i think that market will continue to see high levels of demand.
as far as housing costs.. $10 million and above homes have always been hard to sell as an investment. it's a disjoint market at best. and when we're talking about large fluctuations in housing sales, probably not worth discussing as any appreciable percentage of the homes on the market.
finally, unless there is some reason for the demand to take a dive (large scale building of affordable rental properties, dirty bomb exploding over the city, job market dissolving), it will always sufficiently support the housing prices, and i don't see a large correction even if the banks foreclose on a lot of homes. they won't want to sell at a loss either... -- A man compounded of law and gospel is able to cheat a whole country with his religion and then destroy them under color of law. -Ben Franklin | |
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| said by 81399672 :Currently monthly rent price for a appartment is going up which means the real estate market is strong. said by 81399672 :while it's true that rent is not tied to housing cost, ... Can you at least be consistent even if you're wrong? -- Sex without love is an empty experience, but, as empty experiences go, it's one of the best. -- Woody Allen | |
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| Rental vacancy rates are high right now I think it is 93% occupancy vs 97% a few years ago. This is why if you look around you will find discounted first months rent or move in bonuses everywhere. These numbers do not include individually owned rental units which there is more than half of them vacant in my building alone. From what I can gather is that the owners are leaving these units vacant and calling them their residence for a break on the capital gains when they sell. As the equity gains move negative I expect a lot of rental units to come available and more sales inventory to hit the market.
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|  |   No_Strings Premium,Mod join:2001-11-22 The OC 1 edit | Re: CA Real Estate Market Study What's happening in commercial real estate, and is there any direct correlation between it and residential? If so, does commercial tend to lead or lag. | |
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| Re: CA Real Estate Market Study said by No_Strings :What's happening in commercial real estate, and is there any direct correlation between it and residential? If so, does commercial tend to lead or lag. I really have no idea about commercial real estate. Just from what I see on the street I think the values will decrease in my general area because there is a lot of vacancy already and tons of commercial spaces are occupied by real estate, mortgage brokers, contractors and construction materials companies. Also I am pretty sure there is a lot offshore investment in commercial real estate and if the dollar drops more there will be a bigger reason to pull out of American assets. -- Bush has spent more $$$ than all other presidents combined in over 200 years!!! Trade Entertainment Book Coupons | |
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| Re: CA Real Estate Market Study said by laserjobs :Also I am pretty sure there is a lot offshore investment in commercial real estate and if the dollar drops more there will be a bigger reason to pull out of American assets. i don't think so. a dropping american dollar is a reason FOR foreign investment in american assets (their currency buys more). maybe at the peak you'd want to get out with value, but the american dollar has been slipping for some time now (though with demos possibly getting the house and the presidency, that might turn around soon).
i know we're also talking rental income, but i think foreign investment in commercial property is more to get a solid foot in, not to get a high yield investment from. i may be wrong.. -- A man compounded of law and gospel is able to cheat a whole country with his religion and then destroy them under color of law. -Ben Franklin | |
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| Re: CA Real Estate Market Study :( i do not want to see homeowners at home when i am at open house or for that matter stage family | |
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| That link describes a marketing ploy for a new development. I don't think it is a good example of the market for existing homes, although it's obvious that it's softening.
While the 50-year mortgage may be new, I took a 40/5% on our current house just to get a payment I was comfortable with and not be house poor. We refinanced to a 30 year fixed later when circumstances changed. -- Sex without love is an empty experience, but, as empty experiences go, it's one of the best. -- Woody Allen | |
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