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emptywig
Huh? What?
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join:2002-08-05
Pasadena, TX

reply to mettmann
Re: People have no morals

Oh hush.

Notwithstanding errors on the part of the company, if ANYONE did this, they're a weasal, one or 10,000. If they made a commitment to buy, they're stuck. Don't need to read more articles, or even that article for that matter. If someone committed to buy the stock and then refused to pay because it went down, they're a shmuck. Period. No argument, no additional info needed. End of story.

wig

mettmann

join:2002-07-25
Upland, CA


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Well, I am unclear why there's a jump to judgement, without reviewing other facts or sources of information.

I agree that a Vonage IPO investor should not withhold payment, since they knew the risks of investment.

BUT - what about those that are withholding payment for an allotment that was provided AFTER close of bell (there are instances documented on the www.vonage-forum.com site )- thereby forcing a sale at $17 a share, not market value?

Doesn't the investor hold the right to challenge the zero to X allotment ?

My comments were directed towards:

calling the investors "stupid". (Ignorant may be a better word). Presuming that "all" Vonage investors witholding payment are doing so without lack of cause.

The term "many" - since it presumes the author of the article knew the number of investors with holding or canceling payment.

"Only" 10,000 - implies that there were less people wanting stock - when in reality, there were investors (such as myself) that committed to a 100 stock sale that received nothing - while others that committed to larger amounts receiving a percentage of the allotment.

Jumping to conclusions on the basis of one story - is truly not rational..


networkengineer

@dreamhost.com

reply to emptywig
First law of investing: Never follow through with a bad investment. This so called 'Pre-IPO' sale was not a real sale. The 'directed share program' was not a stock sale, it was an offer to buy. BIG difference. period. No Argument, No additional info needed. End of story.

Second law of investing: Unless they have your signature or your money, the investment hasn't happened. Until you SIGN for the mortgage on your house, you can walk away. It doesn't matter what promises you made, until you sign, the deal isn't complete. It's the risk of being in business. period. Most people who sell property have had a sale fall through at the last minute. That's life. Period. No Argument, No additional info needed. End of story.

Third law of investing: Weaseling out of things is what separates people from the animals. Except the weasel, of course. Until the brokerage house gets a signature, a check, or transfers the OWNERSHIP of the stock, there is no deal. The reason this entire vonage thing is a non issue, is that the brokerage house NEVER TRANSFERRED THE STOCK to the investor. The brokerage house will NOT transfer the shares until it gets paid. That is the only fact that matters. Period. No Argument, No additional info needed. End of story.

Fourth law of investing: If you own it, you can sell it. Look at it this way, if the person sold the shares at 17 (short sale), then they are LEGALLY OBLIGATED to purchase shares at whatever price the market has, and provide those shares. The reason for the legal obligation is that the seller received payment. If the seller did not receive payment, then the sale did not take place. Period. No Argument, No additional info needed. End of story.

joebear29

join:2003-07-20
Alabaster, AL

said by networkengineer :

First law of investing: Never follow through with a bad investment. This so called 'Pre-IPO' sale was not a real sale. The 'directed share program' was not a stock sale, it was an offer to buy. BIG difference. period. No Argument, No additional info needed. End of story.

Second law of investing: Unless they have your signature or your money, the investment hasn't happened. Until you SIGN for the mortgage on your house, you can walk away. It doesn't matter what promises you made, until you sign, the deal isn't complete. It's the risk of being in business. period. Most people who sell property have had a sale fall through at the last minute. That's life. Period. No Argument, No additional info needed. End of story.

Third law of investing: Weaseling out of things is what separates people from the animals. Except the weasel, of course. Until the brokerage house gets a signature, a check, or transfers the OWNERSHIP of the stock, there is no deal. The reason this entire vonage thing is a non issue, is that the brokerage house NEVER TRANSFERRED THE STOCK to the investor. The brokerage house will NOT transfer the shares until it gets paid. That is the only fact that matters. Period. No Argument, No additional info needed. End of story.

Fourth law of investing: If you own it, you can sell it. Look at it this way, if the person sold the shares at 17 (short sale), then they are LEGALLY OBLIGATED to purchase shares at whatever price the market has, and provide those shares. The reason for the legal obligation is that the seller received payment. If the seller did not receive payment, then the sale did not take place. Period. No Argument, No additional info needed. End of story.
So if the stock had doubled in price after the IPO, Vonage could have refused to sell it to those who had signed up for it?


oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
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join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA

reply to networkengineer
Real Estate law is different...there are statutory requirements (at least here in California) that agreements be in writing. That is why verbal agreements in real estate aren't binding (at least in California).

Meanwhile not being a Vonage subscriber, how did people acknowledge they wanted the shares? Email? That's in writing.
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