reub2000
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Evanston, IL
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Re: FreeBSD is not Windows
said by TheAuthor :I tried to put ReactOS on my desktop PC. Sadly, it wouldn't install  Mind you, it worked perfectly via Qemu. They've still got some work to do, but it's very promising for an alpha.. A quick "svn log" shows that no significant changes have been made to usetup.c in months.
Also if your using the 0.2.9 version keep in mind that it was released a while ago. Try compiling the 0.3 branch from the subversion repository. |
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z9_87
Ill - Ini
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wow, I may have to check that out, I don't even have an xp copy on my computer any more, but I'd like to see what reactos is like, maybe they have a livecd.
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Crypto
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No offense, but if I gave an article like that to anyone, I'd expect to be punched in the mouth.
It's several thousands words to the extent of "thats not a bug, it's a feature".
I stopped reading it when I got to the interface section, and realized it was one big rationalization.
Sorry, Not impressed. You do list the problems, but you dont accept any of them as such. It reads like a snow job. If you're preaching to the choir it's great, but I think you'd alienate end-users with it.
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TheAuthor
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I tried to put ReactOS on my desktop PC. Sadly, it wouldn't install
Mind you, it worked perfectly via Qemu. They've still got some work to do, but it's very promising for an alpha.. |
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toadlife
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said by z9_87  :hmm, first thing I thought of when I started reading it is has anyone ever tried making a open source version of windows from scratch, or reverse engineering it or something like that. A full blown free windows that runs windows apps like windows does. And I don't me like lindows. Now that would be crazy, especially if M$ didn't sue the crap out of the creator. ReactOS
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z9_87
Ill - Ini
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clubs: | reply to rexbinary
yeah its just something that crossed my mind for some reason. Just a "hm, wonder if that's been tried?"
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rexbinary
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I don't think anyone would really want to see the source code from Windows, unless you like spaghetti.  |
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z9_87
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hmm, first thing I thought of when I started reading it is has anyone ever tried making a open source version of windows from scratch, or reverse engineering it or something like that. A full blown free windows that runs windows apps like windows does. And I don't me like lindows. Now that would be crazy, especially if M$ didn't sue the crap out of the creator.
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sremick
FreeBSD on the desktop
join:2001-11-11
Bristol, VT
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said by TheAuthor :
Nit-picking, I know - but the "alt" of the FreeBSD logo is still set to "Linux"... Ha, already ahead of you. I caught that myself last night and fixed it.
I also got the page to validate XHTML 1.1 so hopefully we're good for a while. 
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wmcbrine
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said by computx :A lady I know was overheard telling a friend I use some sort of "rogue" operating system called linux. Does calling it a rogue imply the user is also? I hope so. I remember once reading an (ahem) BSD user trying to put down Linux with a slogan like "Linux: putting power in the wrong hands." Of course I took it as a compliment.
But it's amazing the slavish mindset some people have, especially when it comes to computers. Instead of thinking "What am I free to do?", they think "What am I supposed to do?". |
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TheAuthor
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Nit-picking, I know - but the "alt" of the FreeBSD logo is still set to "Linux"... |
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computx
Is it Friday yet?
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... for some reason when trying to explain it to other people she always tells them "he uses something called solaris". I have no idea where that came from.
Does calling it a rogue imply the user is also?
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nixen
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said by wmcbrine :No... Mac OS X is loosely based on a FreeBSD userland, but with a Mach kernel. The result is distributed as "Darwin". "Aqua", on the other hand, is the GUI, and is not part of Darwin. It's based more or less on NextStep. Given that they borrowed much of the UI from NeXTStep, it makes a decent amount of sense that they'd use a similar root for their kernel. 
-tom
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nixen
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said by fcisler :* FreeBSD is almost as close to the original UNIX as you can get (without the original of course) Dunno bout that... Berkely UNIXes, while derivative of older AT&T code, became fairly distinct from what later became "official" UNIX (SysVR3) - the stuff eventually owned by SCO, licences to Sun, IBM, SGI and a number of others and now contested in court.
said by fcisler :i had a really nice timeline some time ago that detailed everything....really wish i could find it right now... You mean like the one at »www.levenez.com/unix/?
-tom
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nixen
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said by sremick :You should get her a Solaris theme for her computer Why the hell would anyone want to run the Crappy Desktop Environment (or the old OpenLook, for that matter).
-tom |
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nixen
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said by sporkme :The Solaris thing is some kind of strange brain fart I think. That pretty much summed up how I felt when working for SGI.
-tom |
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wmcbrine
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join:2002-12-30
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1 edit | reply to fcisler
said by fcisler :* OSX is based upon BSD (freebsd if i'm not mistaken) and called aqua, again, IIRC No... Mac OS X is loosely based on a FreeBSD userland, but with a Mach kernel. The result is distributed as "Darwin". "Aqua", on the other hand, is the GUI, and is not part of Darwin. It's based more or less on NextStep.
I can't agree with the over-yonder.net site, when it says "BSD is designed. Linux is grown. Perhaps that's the only succinct way to describe it, and possibly the most correct." It seems to me they were both "grown". |
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fcisler
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that last link is one of my favorite articles on the topic, actually! Your Ctrl + C and Ctrl + V does a good job though  No, i really like that you took the time to put that all together...
Might wanna include a footnote or two about two not-very-known facts:
* OSX is based upon BSD (freebsd if i'm not mistaken) and called aqua, again, IIRC
* FreeBSD is almost as close to the original UNIX as you can get (without the original of course)
i had a really nice timeline some time ago that detailed everything....really wish i could find it right now...
I've wanted to draft up a FreeBSD vs OpenBSD vs NetBSD, but I haven't used NetBSD for a couple revisions.....any Net' user wants to work with me, i'd like to! When i build my NAS i'll be writing up a review of FreeBSD + 3ware 9550SX hardware raid setup Once I get the carbon fiber, resin, and finish my case layout (oh....yes....carbon fiber case)....woah...too many projects... |
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sremick
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said by wmcbrine :But now you need "FreeBSD is not Linux". (Should be much shorter.) No need. It already exists:
»www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ra···nux1.php
It's actually much longer though, but it's a good site.
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wmcbrine
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join:2002-12-30
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said by sremick :I don't pretend to be the author... it's mostly a find&replace job from the original "Linux is NOT Windows". But now you need "FreeBSD is not Linux". (Should be much shorter.)
My girlfriend is also a MS user. I tried to explain the "open source" idea to her once, she said "I guess that's interesting if your a computer nerd, but, if you used that as a pick-up line, you would probably still be dating your hand". Not everything in life is a pickup line.
P.S. Open source should be interesting to anyone who cares about freedom. |
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