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Re: Made $1,000,000 but cost them $300,000?
That was $300,000 each from 15 companies. That is $4.5 million in theft of services, not $300,000.
The scam left more than 15 Internet phone companies with connectivity bills up to $300,000 each, So he wasn't going to make a profit legitimately at the prices he charged.
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Skippy25
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| Not a single one of you guys have deciphered this word problem very accurately.
"more than a million" could be 1,000,000.01 or it could be 10,000,000,000.00
"up to 300,000" could be $1 for 14 and 300,000 for one.
Until the actual facts are presented somewhere we can do nothing more then speculate and show our inabilities to decipher a simple english paragraph.
How much they made is irrelevant, the point is they stole it. The amount they stole is relevant as it will determine the severity of the crime. But being that it was on the internet crossing state bounds it is a federal crime anyway so....... | |
dogma
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| One man's "criminal" is another's "Multi-Billionaire captain of technology"
Didn't Apple computer start in the same fashion? A "criminal" hacker named Steve "Woz" Wozniak and his "criminal" CEO buddy Steve Jobs built and sold boxes that could steal voice minutes from the phone company AT&T?
said by Wozniak Bio :
Around this time, Fernandez introduced Woz to his best friend and classmate, Steve Jobs. Jobs, an ambitious "loner" who "always had a different way of looking at things," quickly befriended Woz, and they started working together.
Wozniak matriculated at the University of California, Berkeley. He learned about the "blue box" through an October 1971 article in Esquire Magazine written by Ron Rosenbaum that led to an introduction to the leading "phone phreak" interviewed in the article, John Draper (a.k.a. Cap'n Crunch). The blue box was the basic tool of phone phreaking, a device with which one could (mis)use the telephone system by emulating signaling tones used by analog phone switches of the day to obtain free long-distance calls and explore the system. Unfazed by the trouble with the law that Draper and others in the article faced, Wozniak built and Jobs sold blue boxes for $150 apiece, splitting the profits.
That's the way I decipher this simple english paragraph. | |
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| This is so true. The invention of the Blue Box started off as a tape recorded sample of the tones you were trying to dial with, then someone got the bright idea that you could get voltage to occilate at certain frequencies, and you could mimic single and dual multitone frequency emitted by the analog switches of that era. I wish so bad I grew up in that era, but NOOOO, I had Atari and Nintendo to mess with. 26 years later, I run my OWN VoIP soft switch, and let me tell you, I have encountered some backdoors for free calls myself. So to say this guy "deserves" any kind of punishment is just like saying the companies affected should also be investigated and sued for mishandling telecommunications at the PSTN level, since the fraud terminated thru their softswitch to a wired circuit. They should be more "in the know" about call transactions going thru their "new" technology. On my switch, once ever 2 days I check the CDR (call detail records to noobs) by call time frequency "to see if someone is tinkering or trying illegal sip registrations". I also do a random monitor/spy option to cycle thru all active channels to ensure nobody is stuck in a loop. I say there should be a financial forcast specified for the folks who manage these kinds of tasks, and thus, they could hire a new person per every "X" number of monitored circuits. Costs money, but also reduces money and eliminates people doing things they shouldn't be able to. In the end, it would save them money. But, who cares, it's not my wallet, so they can suffer. I hope there are a million more holes left unpatched, because SIP protocal can use more. I love how each revision of the SIProtocal is backwards compatable, and open source. Anyhow, HAHAHA to the idiot VoIP providers for their mistake. Boo hoo. Seriously though, have Asterisk, try sipphone.com for your inbound DID's. Cheapest price, but never an issue with termination. They just have sucky voicemail, which I don't use, because I have Asterisk. Take care all...
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