Sounds like a annoyed HAM op.

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markopoleo join:2003-04-02 Bonne Terre, MO	Sounds like a annoyed HAM op. Honestly, how many HAM ops can there be in Manassas, Virginia that can get the FCC to shut down a whole ISP.. Lets hope common sense hits the FCC in the head, maybe even send the ham ops takedown orders instead. lol
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zod5000 join:2003-10-21 Edmonton, AB ·TELUS ·TekSavvy Solutions..	I always thought they were still concerned about HAM radio in case of emergencies, and you need to use something else for communication. Look at the communication problems that happened in New Orleans last year. I don't entirely understand how they work, but they are long range analog devices aren't they? They would seem to be a rather handy item to have in such a case. If there were a big disaster, one would think the power would get knocked out, and the interference would stop, but I guess the powers one of the first things they try and put back on.
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grcore New and Improved join:2003-12-06 usa	reply to markopoleo lame said by markopoleo : Lets hope common sense hits the FCC in the head, maybe even send the ham ops takedown orders instead. lol That was a pretty lame troll... You can do better can't you?
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David95037 join:2003-04-16 Morgan Hill, CA ·Be There 1 edit	reply to zod5000 Re: Sounds like a annoyed HAM op. said by zod5000 : If there were a big disaster, one would think the power would get knocked out, and the interference would stop, but Q: If the power goes out in an area, BPL interference will go out as well, so Hams could then provide emergency services, so what is the problem? A: Amateurs need to maintain equipment and practice needed skills before a disaster occurs. If the equipment is unusable during regular times, what is the motivation even to buy equipment? Another thing to consider is that emergency stations need to be able to communicate out to areas that do have power. From the BPL FAQ; »www.qrpis.org/~k3ng/bpl.html#21
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K4GVT join:2006-01-24 Manassas, VA	reply to markopoleo Well obviously your misguided view is one sided. Look, BPL is flawed even from a data exchange point of view. If the system was in full use the data rate would so low do to packet collisions. We hear and see this even with the limited customer base here in Manassas. If you think this is a panacea for linking to the Internet, think again. Why not focus on wireless technology instead? Additionally BPL is highly susceptible to ingress from other RF sources. Are you prepared to be interrupted by every mobile (not just Hams) operator driving through town. "BPL is a "flawed technology!" George
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Tzale Proud Libertarian Conservative Premium join:2004-01-06 Sweden ·Verizon FIOS ·Optimum Online	reply to markopoleo There are 343 records matching +manassas,* +va* AA0ZN AUTH MATTHEW R 12794 Forest Oak Ct Manassas VA 20112 AC4OM ZBOROFSKY RICHARD A 8200 MARY JANE DR MANASSAS VA 20112 AC4YG HOUSDEN SR ROBERT J 7832 MANASSAS DR MANASSAS VA 22111 AC6JN LATHAM ROY N 8203 Meadowlark Court Manassas VA 20111 AE4EA DE LAGE STEVEN B 9357 RIVER CREST RD MANASSAS VA 20110 AE4UM Whalen Catherine A 7812 Lake Dr Manassas VA 20111 AF4MF BOWDEN RICHARD V 7941 COMMUNITY DR MANASSAS VA 20109 AJ4E HAWKINS GEORGE P 9501 NATCHEZ TRAIL CT MANASSAS VA 22110 K3PZM SILVER FRANK 9430 ROBIN LEE CT MANASSAS VA 20111 K3TRM AIELLO FRANK A 7600 Burnt Tree Drive Manassas VA 20111 K4FHN BRUNIGER RONALD J 8130 BLANDSFORD DR MANASSAS VA 20111 K4FKE HIDER JOHN D D 14119 WALTON DR MANASSAS VA 22111 K4HJF ZAEPFEL ROBERT P 9026 LONGSTREET DR MANASSAS VA 20110 K4JLZ PAOLUCCI UMBERTO 9318 STUART AVE MANASSAS VA 22110 K4MLA 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Contact one of these Hams living in Manassass, VA and see for yourself. I'm sure they would be glad to "inform" you.
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Slacker44 join:2001-05-10 Gilbert, AZ	Do they speak in plain english or do I have to learn some sort of underground nerd speak?
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rf_engineer join:2003-08-04 USA	reply to markopoleo said by markopoleo : Honestly, how many HAM ops can there be in Manassas, Virginia that can get the FCC to shut down a whole ISP.. Not an ISP, a BPL network. Comtek messed up when their own measurement reports shown they were above the emissions limit. The emissions limit doesn't really involve hams and is independent of the harmful interference language in Part 15. Lets hope common sense hits the FCC in the head, maybe even send the ham ops takedown orders instead. lol But the law says the BPL system (unlicensed Part 15) can't interfere with any licensed services. Common sense would dictate that they need to follow their own laws. Sounds like you need a dose of common sense. Too bad you put so much energy into your trolling and can't support any of your past nonsensical posts like this one with facts.
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Michieru2 zzz zzz zzz Premium join:2005-01-28 Miami, FL	reply to Slacker44 In order to be a HAM operator you must have your license to do so. Same as GMRS radio. What you say is nerd talk, is plain english for people who understand. or are you basically saying if someone was talking to you in japanese and you did not understand would that consitute as nerd talk? Or simply your plain ignorance?
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markopoleo join:2003-04-02 Bonne Terre, MO ·Charter Pipeline	reply to rf_engineer "But the law says the BPL system (unlicensed Part 15) can't interfere with any licensed services. Common sense would dictate that they need to follow their own laws. Sounds like you need a dose of common sense." Common sense would make lots of laws obsolete. Its not a matter if its a law now, its a matter of its a right law. Law says you must obey the speed limit, common sense says if every car is going past you at 85 when speed limit is 70 you speed up regardless of law.
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markopoleo join:2003-04-02 Bonne Terre, MO	reply to Tzale I bet if you did a survey not a single one needed a HAM other than to "chit chat". Or if they did use it for something it could of been done easier with a cell phone.
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markopoleo join:2003-04-02 Bonne Terre, MO	reply to grcore Re: lame How is that trolling? Its just stating what everyone is thinking. Trolling would be me saying "HAMS suck, wish they would all disappear". I know HAMs are use full, but not in USA anymore (minus Alaska and Hawaii perhaps).
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Jigsaw Stardust We Are Premium join:2000-10-21 Cleveland, OH ·Cox HSI	said by markopoleo : How is that trolling? Its just stating what everyone is thinking. I'll do my own thinking thanks!!!! -- »www.auralmoon.com/html/ Stimulating ears for 6 years
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N4QX @avhlaw.com	reply to markopoleo Re: Sounds like a annoyed HAM op. When I prosecuted traffic tickets, we loved uping the charges against clowns who used this logic to Reckless Driving. We took a lot of folks who needed to be off the road off the road that way. COMTek needs to be off the road.
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bigskank join:2002-06-07 Norman, OK 1 edit	reply to markopoleo With all due respect markopoleo, your argument of "its not a matter if its a law now" is rather silly. Who decides what a "right law" is in a case like this? Obviously there are two widely differering groups having an opinion about what the right law is here; the hams feel that interference should be illegal because why should BPL have rights to pollute the specturm. ComTek feels it should be able to do so, and that the hams are holding back technology. Arguing which law is "right" is always based on a particular person's viewpoint; there is no objective standard here. As such, since there is a law in place, it ought be enforced. If BPL providers can convince the FCC to change regs to allow BPL to pollute the ham's spectrum, then fine. Until then, it should be enforced as it is. As a similar analogy, what if BPL polluted the spectrum carrying the emergency broadcast system signals? Or the atomic clock signals? Both are used by a relatively small portion of the population, but both have their proper uses in times of emergency and/or specialized business applications. Is it "right" for one technology such as BPL (also used by a relatively small portion of the population) to hinder other technologies? This isn't a question of competition (BPL and Ham's aren't directly competing against each other in the business sense, such as cable and dsl do). This is one where technology that has been poorly implemented (in that it violates current laws) in such a way that it damages the activities of another group of citizens. So I ask, how is the law in this case "wrong"? What gives BPL the right to pollute spectrum to the detriment of a group of citizens with equal right to pursue their own communication methods? Why should BPL not have to play by the same anti-interference rules that cable, dsl, satellite, hams, and every other electronic device in the US must play by? What makes BPL so different that many people think it can interfere with other licensed communication methods other than the fact that some people prefer BPL over hams? I'm not trying to troll here [which I guess is like starting a statement saying "I'm not a racist, but..."], I'm just really wanting to know why so many people feel that BPL should have a more preferential status than other electronics and communication methods in this country?
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Obliteration Premium join:2005-09-18 Somewhere	reply to N4QX said by N4QX : When I prosecuted traffic tickets, we loved uping the charges against clowns who used this logic to Reckless Driving. We took a lot of folks who needed to be off the road off the road that way. COMTek needs to be off the road. Ummm.... what damn driving school did you attend? My book states what mark stated before. If traffic is going on a road at 45mph and the speed limit is 35mph you are SUPPOSE to speed up to match flow of traffic. Since the traffic will be constantly try to pass you, you will likely end up causing an accident due to the fact that you are disrupting flow of traffic. This was stated by my driving teacher, a POLICE CHIEF who visited during my driving class, and the damn driving rule book.
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MacLeech The one and only Premium join:2001-07-14 SoCal	reply to markopoleo said by markopoleo : Honestly, how many HAM ops can there be in Manassas, Virginia that can get the FCC to shut down a whole ISP.. Lets hope common sense hits the FCC in the head, maybe even send the ham ops takedown orders instead. lol You do realize that your Charter cable modem service (like all DOCSIS cable networks) upstream connection runs in the same frequency range that the BPL systems do... don't you? Cable lines run parallel to electric lines for miles just a few feet away.... so the possibility of interference is huge. If such a BPL system were lit up in your area, more then likely your cable modem service would go down or be unreliable.... for weeks or months... -- For official Adelphia support, contact Adelphia. I'm just here for advice...
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rf_engineer join:2003-08-04 USA	reply to markopoleo said by markopoleo : "But the law says the BPL system (unlicensed Part 15) can't interfere with any licensed services. Common sense would dictate that they need to follow their own laws. Sounds like you need a dose of common sense." Common sense would make lots of laws obsolete. Its not a matter if its a law now, its a matter of its a right law. Law says you must obey the speed limit, common sense says if every car is going past you at 85 when speed limit is 70 you speed up regardless of law. Your "common sense" isn't sense at all. Raising the speed limit at some point gets more people killed. If you raise the speed limit to 85, then people go 95. Common sense and sane engineering practice would tell one that a wired network shouldn't interfere with wireless spectrum. Cable, fiber, DSL, and T1/DS-3 facilities all carry as much or more information that BPL yet none of them radiate any or a significant amount of RF radiation. Why should BPL be any different and be allowed to wreck a natural resource that allows worldwide communications, and delivers less than existing broadband solutions. The FCC laws regarding interference aren't obsolete. It's what makes your cell phone work, allows emergency responder communications to function, your TV and FM radio work, and several other services.
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rf_engineer join:2003-08-04 USA	reply to MacLeech said by MacLeech : said by markopoleo : Honestly, how many HAM ops can there be in Manassas, Virginia that can get the FCC to shut down a whole ISP.. Lets hope common sense hits the FCC in the head, maybe even send the ham ops takedown orders instead. lol You do realize that your Charter cable modem service (like all DOCSIS cable networks) upstream connection runs in the same frequency range that the BPL systems do... don't you? Cable lines run parallel to electric lines for miles just a few feet away.... so the possibility of interference is huge. If such a BPL system were lit up in your area, more then likely your cable modem service would go down or be unreliable.... for weeks or months... Not necessarily. There's a key difference between BPL and cable. Cable is shielded, BPL is not. If Cable had the same radiation characteristics as BPL, it would wreck all the spectrum from HF to UHF and take out just about everything. But cable has been using these same frequencies for years with nearly no problems to wireless licensees due to the shielding and strict radiation guidelines. This is what makes BPL such a bad choice, they're attempting to create a really bad leaky cable system, and minimize the damage to spectrum by using only HF and VHF frequencies, and when that doesn't work, deny there's issues in press releases.
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rf_engineer join:2003-08-04 USA	reply to Slacker44 said by Slacker44 : Do they speak in plain english or do I have to learn some sort of underground nerd speak? I've never heard nerd speak here on BBR Broadband nerds, computer nerds, radio nerds, electronics nerds.... whatever nerd discipline, we're all NERDS...!
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