rf_engineer
join:2003-08-04
USA
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Re: Sounds like a annoyed HAM op.
said by markopoleo  :Honestly, how many HAM ops can there be in Manassas, Virginia that can get the FCC to shut down a whole ISP.. Not an ISP, a BPL network. Comtek messed up when their own measurement reports shown they were above the emissions limit. The emissions limit doesn't really involve hams and is independent of the harmful interference language in Part 15.
Lets hope common sense hits the FCC in the head, maybe even send the ham ops takedown orders instead. lol
But the law says the BPL system (unlicensed Part 15) can't interfere with any licensed services. Common sense would dictate that they need to follow their own laws. Sounds like you need a dose of common sense.
Too bad you put so much energy into your trolling and can't support any of your past nonsensical posts like this one with facts. |
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markopoleo
join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO
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| "But the law says the BPL system (unlicensed Part 15) can't interfere with any licensed services. Common sense would dictate that they need to follow their own laws. Sounds like you need a dose of common sense."
Common sense would make lots of laws obsolete. Its not a matter if its a law now, its a matter of its a right law. Law says you must obey the speed limit, common sense says if every car is going past you at 85 when speed limit is 70 you speed up regardless of law. |
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N4QX
@avhlaw.com | When I prosecuted traffic tickets, we loved uping the charges against clowns who used this logic to Reckless Driving. We took a lot of folks who needed to be off the road off the road that way.
COMTek needs to be off the road. |
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bigskank
join:2002-06-07
Norman, OK
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With all due respect markopoleo, your argument of "its not a matter if its a law now" is rather silly. Who decides what a "right law" is in a case like this? Obviously there are two widely differering groups having an opinion about what the right law is here; the hams feel that interference should be illegal because why should BPL have rights to pollute the specturm. ComTek feels it should be able to do so, and that the hams are holding back technology. Arguing which law is "right" is always based on a particular person's viewpoint; there is no objective standard here. As such, since there is a law in place, it ought be enforced. If BPL providers can convince the FCC to change regs to allow BPL to pollute the ham's spectrum, then fine. Until then, it should be enforced as it is.
As a similar analogy, what if BPL polluted the spectrum carrying the emergency broadcast system signals? Or the atomic clock signals? Both are used by a relatively small portion of the population, but both have their proper uses in times of emergency and/or specialized business applications. Is it "right" for one technology such as BPL (also used by a relatively small portion of the population) to hinder other technologies? This isn't a question of competition (BPL and Ham's aren't directly competing against each other in the business sense, such as cable and dsl do). This is one where technology that has been poorly implemented (in that it violates current laws) in such a way that it damages the activities of another group of citizens.
So I ask, how is the law in this case "wrong"? What gives BPL the right to pollute spectrum to the detriment of a group of citizens with equal right to pursue their own communication methods? Why should BPL not have to play by the same anti-interference rules that cable, dsl, satellite, hams, and every other electronic device in the US must play by? What makes BPL so different that many people think it can interfere with other licensed communication methods other than the fact that some people prefer BPL over hams? I'm not trying to troll here [which I guess is like starting a statement saying "I'm not a racist, but..."], I'm just really wanting to know why so many people feel that BPL should have a more preferential status than other electronics and communication methods in this country? |
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Obliteration
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join:2005-09-18
Somewhere
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said by N4QX :
When I prosecuted traffic tickets, we loved uping the charges against clowns who used this logic to Reckless Driving. We took a lot of folks who needed to be off the road off the road that way.
COMTek needs to be off the road.
Ummm.... what damn driving school did you attend? My book states what mark stated before. If traffic is going on a road at 45mph and the speed limit is 35mph you are SUPPOSE to speed up to match flow of traffic. Since the traffic will be constantly try to pass you, you will likely end up causing an accident due to the fact that you are disrupting flow of traffic.
This was stated by my driving teacher, a POLICE CHIEF who visited during my driving class, and the damn driving rule book. |
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rf_engineer
join:2003-08-04
USA
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said by markopoleo :"But the law says the BPL system (unlicensed Part 15) can't interfere with any licensed services. Common sense would dictate that they need to follow their own laws. Sounds like you need a dose of common sense." Common sense would make lots of laws obsolete. Its not a matter if its a law now, its a matter of its a right law. Law says you must obey the speed limit, common sense says if every car is going past you at 85 when speed limit is 70 you speed up regardless of law. Your "common sense" isn't sense at all. Raising the speed limit at some point gets more people killed. If you raise the speed limit to 85, then people go 95.
Common sense and sane engineering practice would tell one that a wired network shouldn't interfere with wireless spectrum. Cable, fiber, DSL, and T1/DS-3 facilities all carry as much or more information that BPL yet none of them radiate any or a significant amount of RF radiation. Why should BPL be any different and be allowed to wreck a natural resource that allows worldwide communications, and delivers less than existing broadband solutions. The FCC laws regarding interference aren't obsolete. It's what makes your cell phone work, allows emergency responder communications to function, your TV and FM radio work, and several other services. |
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GadgetsRme
R.I.P. dadkins
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join:2002-01-30
Canon City, CO
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said by Obliteration :said by N4QX :
When I prosecuted traffic tickets, we loved uping the charges against clowns who used this logic to Reckless Driving. We took a lot of folks who needed to be off the road off the road that way.When I prosecuted traffic tickets, we loved uping the charges against clowns who used this logic to Reckless Driving. We took a lot of folks who needed to be off the road off the road that way.
COMTek needs to be off the road.
COMTek needs to be off the road.When I prosecuted traffic tickets, we loved uping the charges against clowns who used this logic to Reckless Driving. We took a lot of folks who needed to be off the road off the road that way.
COMTek needs to be off the road.
Ummm.... what damn driving school did you attend? My book states what mark stated before. If traffic is going on a road at 45mph and the speed limit is 35mph you are SUPPOSE to speed up to match flow of traffic. Since the traffic will be constantly try to pass you, you will likely end up causing an accident due to the fact that you are disrupting flow of traffic. When I prosecuted traffic tickets, we loved uping the charges against clowns who used this logic to Reckless Driving. We took a lot of folks who needed to be off the road off the road that way. COMTek needs to be off the road. This was stated by my driving teacher, a POLICE CHIEF who visited during my driving class, and the damn driving rule book. Besides repairing computers I'm a driving instructor, trained and supervised by a nationally certified driving instructor. I had to take 35 hours of classroom instruction and pass with a 92. Ater that I drove 48 hrs with the senior instructor before he would turn me loose by myself with students. I further took the class and received certification by the Compliance Section, Division of Motor Vehicle, State of Colorado to administer the Colo. State Basic Skills Operator Test. That all said, mike52, I call "Bullshit".
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caddyroger
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You do not speed to keep up with the other cars. Just take this if you are going 85 in a 70 mph zone and you cause an accident who going to get the ticket. who could be sued. Not the other drivers you will be. It still against the law |
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15,000 Watts of Bass Power
join:2002-10-16
New Milford, CT
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This doesn't work in CT. The speed limit is 40 on rt 66 in Middlefield. Because it's a double lane highway, people ususally do 60 on that road. The police just tag the cars that match 'the color of the day'. Each day, they start out and pick a new random color. If silver is the color of the day, and you're driving a silver Nissan, you're it, if you're following traffic that's traveling over the limit.
Just because 99% of the drivers on the road at the time are violating the law doesn't make it okay to do so.
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join:2000-05-11 | reply to Obliteration
Give me your plate number, because I'd love to slam you against the barrier on the Dan Ryan. What an idiotic post.
What are you, 15?
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N3OGH
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Philly burbs | reply to Obliteration
Don't do that in Pennsylvania, you may be the one who gets the ticket... |
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