cdru
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Fort Wayne, IN
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Re: [northeast] Fiber to House Line Replacement
Verizon isn't going to install your drop 8+ inches or in a conduit. The drop is direct bury which means it is meant NOT to be in a conduit. It's an armored cable but as the OP pointed out, a direct hit can still cause damage. It's much cheaper for Verizon to run the line several inches below the surface just by slitting your lawn the trying to run a conduit 12" below the surface. Even if it has to be replaced several times, it's still significantly cheaper then the initial labor costs.
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MrBroadband
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Oyster Bay, NY
| Actually not only did Verizon run my cable underground, but they snaked it under my driveway and put it in a conduit. It is at least 8" underground, plus they added an extra line of fiber as I mentioned I will most likely get another ONT for either a static IP or 8 lines total. They had no problem with this. In fact, the guy said "Verizon wants us to put the cable in a conduit anyway."
If anything its the contractor cutting corners.
FYI, I am in Verizon - Nassau County, NY |
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cdru
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Fort Wayne, IN | Did they run the whole thing in conduit, from the pole (or box) to your house? Or just under the driveway? Also, when was your install relative to the nationwide start of the FiOS rollouts?
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razambon
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Laurel, MD
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The cable actually isn't armored (if by armored you mean what I understand as armored - having a metal sheath around the entire cable on the exterior or inside the outer plastic). It's just a dual wire (copper and the fiber I believe) with a plastic sheath - it may be composite type cable but where I removed the covering I didn't see any metal armoring.
I've seen electrical lines buried in a yard - my father actually had it done once when I was a kid using one of those machines, which cdru mentions (sort of). He regularly aerates the lawn, etc., and has no problems. I believe the cable is 8"-12" under the ground as well, and the soil gets VERY rocky 5-6" deep there so...not sure why the heck it was so shallow. Four inches is just insanely shallow.
Either way, I can't get the people to come out to fix the damn thing....can't even get them to call me back. Kind of scary if we DO lose service. So far everyone I've talked to at Verizon has been pretty good with me though and said it should have been protected somehow.
I actually just got off the phone with them again they escalated it again, made mention that it was right under the sod (ok, so it was 1-2 inches under the sod...but the guy was trying to find ways to get them to call me or send out an inspector) and he changed it to say the line would need to be moved/reinstalled.
I'm pretty sure that when this patio gets installed it's going to end up causing the cable to break though...which makes me a bit nervous because there's now only about 1/2" of dirt on top of the cable where I nicked it and it needs to be at that height or LOWER. :/
And I think those machines can also lay a plastic conduit with the wire inside as well, a flexible PVC type tubing that would act as some type of protection. |
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cdru
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Fort Wayne, IN
| said by razambon  :The cable actually isn't armored (if by armored you mean what I understand as armored - having a metal sheath around the entire cable on the exterior or inside the outer plastic). It's just a dual wire (copper and the fiber I believe) with a plastic sheath - it may be composite type cable but where I removed the covering I didn't see any metal armoring. The armoring may or may not ve visible. It can actually be within the outer jacket for enviromental protection. Here is an example of what a cross section mgiht look like.
In the coax world, a direct bury cable usually is significantly thicker and has a harder exterior that can help protect it from roots, shovels, rocks, animals, etc. Often it is also flooded with a silicone type sealant so that any cuts that might form don't leak water into the cable.
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MrBroadband
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join:2006-02-22
Oyster Bay, NY
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>>Did they run the whole thing in conduit, from the pole (or box) to your house? Or just under the driveway? Also, when was your install relative to the nationwide start of the FiOS rollouts?>>
Yup the whole thing. From the pole outside on my street, under my driveway, and even mounted both ONTs in my basement. I should add however, they used the EXISTING copper conduit from the original construction of the house. Still a huge snaking job.
AND THEY DIDNT CHARGE ME A DIME! (Took 2 visits)
This was 3 months ago |
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psu0
join:2006-05-31
Pittsburgh, PA
| Corning usually coats the fibre in a very very thin layer of kevlar, or a slightly thicker layer of PVC (sometimes both depending on the location of the lay), but that sucks if you hit it with a sharp object with a great force. It will usually keep the birds from chewing the wire aerially. |
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