 JazzJRabbit
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| reply to pnh102 Re: Still fairly generous...
said by pnh102 :Huh? There are laws against false advertising and there are government agencies that are tasked with enforcing these laws. Verizon cannot legally advertise a service as being "unlimited" and then impose some sort of limit. Either Verizon should make it very clear in the advertising what the limit is, or simply stop using the word "Unlimited." OK, let me be crystal clear since you are going to be running around the isuue forever otherwise. You've made your entire point yesterday (see here »Seize the Incumbent Networks) that government cannot do anything effectively, be it public schools, amtrak, securing borders, social security/welfare services or even interstate highways. And you argued profusely that businesses know best and that "The assumption that government control of the Internet would result in decent service & competitive business is wrong". You said it just yesterday. So why are you turning to the government now to regulate the industry? I thought that "anything good that happens in this country is the result of hard working people and elbow grease, not the government". So why not let the hard working people of verizon (with some help from uncle sam elbow grease) handle the issue? Why do you want government to intervene now if they can't get anything right? |
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  pnh102 Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty Premium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD
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| said by JazzJRabbit :So why are you turning to the government now to regulate the industry? The last i checked, the government is charged with enforcing the law. This is not done by private companies.
And again, you've proven my point about how badly the government is doing a job of that when it doesn't even enforce the laws on the books.
Asking that the government simply do the job it is supposed to be doing is not the same as saying that the government should not usurp ownership of a private industry. -- Tancredo 2008! |
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| reply to JazzJRabbit said by JazzJRabbit :said by pnh102 :Huh? There are laws against false advertising and there are government agencies that are tasked with enforcing these laws. Verizon cannot legally advertise a service as being "unlimited" and then impose some sort of limit. Either Verizon should make it very clear in the advertising what the limit is, or simply stop using the word "Unlimited." OK, let me be crystal clear since you are going to be running around the isuue forever otherwise. You've made your entire point yesterday (see here » Seize the Incumbent Networks) that government cannot do anything effectively, be it public schools, amtrak, securing borders, social security/welfare services or even interstate highways. And you argued profusely that businesses know best and that "The assumption that government control of the Internet would result in decent service & competitive business is wrong". You said it just yesterday. So why are you turning to the government now to regulate the industry? I thought that "anything good that happens in this country is the result of hard working people and elbow grease, not the government". So why not let the hard working people of verizon (with some help from uncle sam elbow grease) handle the issue? Why do you want government to intervene now if they can't get anything right? I suppose I could let pnh102 answer for himself, but I MUST say something. You clearly dont have any idea about, well, anything! Citizens and private companies cant enforce laws (unless they are deputized, and thats another discussion) so your argument makes no sense. Citizens and companies follow/obey laws, government creates/enforces laws. Get it? Good! Your post is so dumb I dont even know why I am responding, but I am really looking out for you. You are only going to dig yourself deeper into a hole if you keep adding to this "argument" of yours. -- сумасшедшая обезьяна! |
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 JazzJRabbit
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| reply to pnh102 said by pnh102 :The last i checked, the government is charged with enforcing the law. This is not done by private companies. And again, you've proven my point about how badly the government is doing a job of that when it doesn't even enforce the laws on the books. Asking that the government simply do the job it is supposed to be doing is not the same as saying that the government should not usurp ownership of a private industry. Actually the government is charged with both enforcing and creating the laws. So it is all the same, whether is's enforcing already exhisting laws or creating new ones to ensure competition and fair business practices.
Keeping what I just wrote in mind, let me rephrase it once again. Your point in the thread yesterday was that since government cannot do its job effectively we should let the private enterprise roam free without ANY regulation. It is what you said yesterday and I quoted you twice on this matter. And this news piece shows exactly what would happen if you completely removed government regulation. So why are you suddenly all for government intervention now? Is there any pattern as to how and whn you switch sides? |
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 JazzJRabbit
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| reply to wifi4milez said by wifi4milez :I suppose I could let pnh102 answer for himself, but I MUST say something. You clearly dont have any idea about, well, anything! Citizens and private companies cant enforce laws (unless they are deputized, and thats another discussion) so your argument makes no sense. Citizens and companies follow/obey laws, government creates/enforces laws. Get it? Good! Your post is so dumb I dont even know why I am responding, but I am really looking out for you. You are only going to dig yourself deeper into a hole if you keep adding to this "argument" of yours. What I'm arguing with pnh is not enforcing the laws, this is just the context, it's his position. One day he argues for complete removal of any government oversight and the next day he is all for government intervention. So, who is dumb now? You. |
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| said by JazzJRabbit :said by wifi4milez :I suppose I could let pnh102 answer for himself, but I MUST say something. You clearly dont have any idea about, well, anything! Citizens and private companies cant enforce laws (unless they are deputized, and thats another discussion) so your argument makes no sense. Citizens and companies follow/obey laws, government creates/enforces laws. Get it? Good! Your post is so dumb I dont even know why I am responding, but I am really looking out for you. You are only going to dig yourself deeper into a hole if you keep adding to this "argument" of yours. What I'm arguing with pnh is not enforcing the laws, this is just the context, it's his position. One day he argues for complete removal of any government oversight and the next day he is all for government intervention. So, who is dumb now? You. Government oversight and law enforcement are two totally different things, and can't be compared in any way. I see that you are trying to challenge his position on something, but you could not have picked a worse exaple. Bad choice. Your comments make you "look" as if you dont know what you are talking about, and your continued arguing makes it "seem" that might actually be the case.....  -- сумасшедшая обезьяна! |
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  oliphant I Have 8 Boobies Premium join:2004-11-26 Corona, CA 1 edit | reply to JazzJRabbit Oh brother. Pnh didn't say he's "all for" anything. Nice try though. Well actually it wasn't...rather it was very weak. |
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join:2003-10-29 New York, NY | reply to JazzJRabbit Government regulation of an industry and enforcing laws that protect consumers from false advertising are two separate things. Once that is understood you'll realize that he's not flip flopping on anything. |
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 RadioDoc 58ef2c0 Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-05-11 | reply to JazzJRabbit Enforcing existing laws regarding deceptive practices does not equal confiscating private networks and having the government run them.
He's very consistent. -- Toolmaster of La Grange. |
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  Anonamous2000
@rr.com | reply to JazzJRabbit I suppose you think that abolishing the Internal Revenue Service and establishing a regressive sales tax would be a good idea also. Perhaps the deregulation of the energy sector was a good idea. It resulted in such wonderful companies as Enron. |
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