said by RadioDoc :

Religion in government is inherently amoral. You don't seem to be able to grasp that.

said by fiberguy :

Bush ran his election based on tugging at the christian right.. and today, it's the very belief that he let them down.

said by fiberguy :

To the reason why this country was founded, it may have been founded by christians with certain values in mind, but the constitution disagrees that this is a religious state we have here and in the end, that's all that matters.

said by footballdude :

Dogma? At what point have I degenerated into dogma? Let me reiterate what I said before. If there is no God, then there is no reason you shouldn't do whatever you want in life, so long as you don't get caught. This is expediency, not morality. Yes, some religious people are complete idiots. Again, people are flawed, which is why we must look to something greater than ourselves.

said by RadioDoc :

Backward? Man, when do you not toe the party line?

said by RadioDoc :

How you manage to mangle that into some kind of religious dogma is pretty fascinating. I'll reiterate that religion is not a prerequisite for moral behavior. It can be a guide, but it's not required. Some "deeply religious" people are utterly amoral.

said by RadioDoc :

Now that I've seen your posting signature, however, I understand your position. Ann Coulter is your god. Perfect example of an amoral 'religious' leech.

Main Entry: mo·ral·i·ty
Pronunciation: m&-'ra-l&-tE, mo-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ties
1 a : a moral discourse, statement, or lesson b : a literary or other imaginative work teaching a moral lesson
2 a : a doctrine or system of moral conduct b plural : particular moral principles or rules of conduct
3 : conformity to ideals of right human conduct
4 : moral conduct : VIRTUE

Main Entry: mor·al
Pronunciation: 'mor-&l, 'mär-
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin moralis, from mor-, mos custom
1 a : of or relating to principles of right and wrong in behavior : ETHICAL b : expressing or teaching a conception of right behavior c : conforming to a standard of right behavior d : sanctioned by or operative on one's conscience or ethical judgment e : capable of right and wrong action
2 : probable though not proved : VIRTUAL
3 : having the effects of such on the mind, confidence, or will
- mor·al·ly /-&-lE/ adverb
synonyms MORAL, ETHICAL, VIRTUOUS, RIGHTEOUS, NOBLE mean conforming to a standard of what is right and good. MORAL implies conformity to established sanctioned codes or accepted notions of right and wrong . ETHICAL may suggest the involvement of more difficult or subtle questions of rightness, fairness, or equity . VIRTUOUS implies the possession or manifestation of moral excellence in character . RIGHTEOUS stresses guiltlessness or blamelessness and often suggests the sanctimonious . NOBLE implies moral eminence and freedom from anything petty, mean, or dubious in conduct and character .

said by fiberguy :

So, footballdude, since the church believes murder is immoral, how does the church explain away the death penalty? There are many documented cases where Christians stand by the death penalty at every turn.

said by fiberguy :

Shall I point you to the state of North Carolina where a prosecutor, who happens to be a good standing christian, was proved with out a doubt to have with held evidence that would have cleared the very innocent man he tried and put on death row to die? He was innocent all along, but that christian - as many others - blindly stood by him to see this man die.

I guess this blows apart your murder is wrong story, huh? We know Christians have 'the' answer for everything, right?

said by RadioDoc :

The concepts of morality and civility are not defined by religion, however religions very well might be defined by their morality and civility. You've got your cart before the horse.

said by xdeadhead :

i simply must get a job there. how do "they" recruit new applicants?

oh wait, the phone is ringing......

said by TKJunkMail :

This quote is trotted out at least once a week here. It is overused and barely relevant in the modern world of terrorism. Besides, no essential liberties are being given up, and to describe the threat to security as temporary is mistaken.

said by kimmer7 :

Wow, what a rant. Now if it was only true, it would be have been pretty good.

Maintained power through fear and hate? I will not disagree that there is hate and fear in America, but I think it has more to do with certain people flying planes into buildings and killing 3,000 US citizens. The same certain people who have vowed in the media to attack us again.
Rewritten laws to grant more power to the executive branch? Sorry, you need a civics lesson. The president doesnt write laws, nor does he pass laws. Congress does that, a congress that is full of people who disagree with President Bush.
Setup and sanctioned torture of "enemy combatants? Um, I would be real interested in seeing where you get this from. I haven't seen a single shred of proof anywhere that President Bush setup and sanctioned torture. Are you talking about the guy in Guantanamo being forced to wear a bra on his head? I feel so sorry for him, his life must be hell. I will be sure to think of that while I pray for the poor soldiers who were mutilated and boobytrapped by the "freedom fighters" of Iraq. I guess we have different ideas of what Torture is. As for what some stupid soldiers did for fun at Abu Ghraib, 9 different investigations showed that stacking people in naked pyramids was not policy directed by the whitehouse.

So yes, claiming the USA right now is similiar to early Nazi Germany is grossly stupid.

said by airoff :

"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security"

Benjamin Franklin

said by N3OGH :

IS IT????

Yeah, right now, at the bequest of the Bush administration, and under the authorization of the Patriot Act, millions of people are being gassed in waterless showers, and shoved in crematoriums, some still alive. Right now, Donald Rumsfeld has a lampshade made from human skin, and millions of gypsies, Poles, Solvaks, Jews, Russians, and homosexuals are toiling away in slave camps to make vengeance weapons so Bush can take over the world.

Sorry, you may not like the present administration in power, you may very well hate them. But, the fact that you can freely speak out against them and not end up a jar of ashes floating down the river Rhine is proof enough that comparing it to the Nazi state is nothing but the pointless drivel of an undisputed ass hat.