pnh102
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Re: I Confess!
said by bigunk  :I thought it was Kevin? No they freed him already.
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fiberguy
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I didn't say half as much as you say I did, but that's fine.
Where did I say that religion has no place in public life? If anything, people like me believe that religion is a personal choice and right that everyone has afforded to them. If you choose to practice religion, great, if not, GREAT TOO! See how that works? To me, the only thing that government needs to do is protect the rights of people to practice their religion of choice... not push it, not sponsor it.. nothing.
So, in your words? Relgion and god, in my view, have no place in 'government"...
..and for the record, since you don't know each president personally, you can't say exactly why each president has called for a national day of prayer. Could it be that it's the popular thing to do? Statistics show that many americans are religious to some point. Presidents say many things and may not believe every thing they say.. but, it does sound good too. Some people just need to have their views validated by someone else instead of feeling good about their own personal choices. (Hey, and there we have part of what makes up religion!)
But, I do thank you for the lesson of the history of the obvious. RadioDoc said it best in his post below this one. You should read it. |
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said by pnh102 :said by willp1 :I guess you must be no brianer because it is all ready happing!!!!!!!!!!!Lookat the Patrocic act Who's Brian? Brian Patrocic. He's one happing dude.
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attsbcisgay
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said by MrMaster :said by N3OGH :said by willp1 :I guess you must be no brianer because it is all ready happing!!!!!!!!!!!Lookat the Patrocic act IS IT????Yeah, right now, at the bequest of the Bush administration, and under the authorization of the Patriot Act, millions of people are being gassed in waterless showers, and shoved in crematoriums, some still alive. Right now, Donald Rumsfeld has a lampshade made from human skin, and millions of gypsies, Poles, Solvaks, Jews, Russians, and homosexuals are toiling away in slave camps to make vengeance weapons so Bush can take over the world. ON MY GOD!!! I knew it!!! Finally, proof of the nazi regime's hold on the country. Damn that Bush!!! Thank you ever so much for confirming this for me. I knew it all along! Are you asleep? Better to be informed then to be misinformed. You are a frog who is being boiled alive slowly, one step at a time. Since you don't notice by the time you wanna jump out, it is then too late!!! |
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said by Michieru2 :Haha  YOU MAYBE LAUGHING NOW BUT YOU WON'T BE LATER WHEN LIFE HAS BECOME SERIOUS FOR YA.
KEEP LAUGHING AND REMEMBER NOT TO CRY EVEN IF SOMEONE puts you in concentration camp... there's a lot around you and all over the united states. You sir need to get your head out of the ground and look around, that is all I ask. |
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pnh102
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said by tsu9 :I suppose that explains why one of the bathrooms at work is protected by a keycard scanner. Devious! I prefer an RFID reader... mainly because keycards can get swiped to death, and because of the negative connotation that RFID technology has in general. 
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said by attsbcisgay :said by Michieru2 :Haha YOU MAYBE LAUGHING NOW BUT YOU WON'T BE LATER WHEN LIFE HAS BECOME SERIOUS FOR YA. KEEP LAUGHING AND REMEMBER NOT TO CRY EVEN IF SOMEONE puts you in concentration camp... there's a lot around you and all over the united states. You sir need to get your head out of the ground and look around, that is all I ask. Bush may be a douchebag, but he's definitely not smart enough or cunning enough to pull a hitler. Hitler was able to convince the people to GIVE him the power he wanted voluntarily. Bush is still at step 1, messing around with congress to make gays second class citizens - hitler would have long ago dismissed congress, and made all undesireables 3rd rate citizens years ago.
No worries.
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Michieru2
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Don't state the obvious, I have already been aware of concentration camps around the United States since March. It was reported by »pagina12.com.ar
I was simply laughing over that he has a dirty bathroom.
I think you need to stop judging people simply over a one word comment. Really not a lot of data to say the least. |
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Michieru2
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Don't underestimate your enemy. The moment you do so, they already have a shotgun pointed at the back of your head.
Everyone knows that if you pull a fast move your going to be obvious do it slowly over the year's and you can make it through without notice. |
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pnh102
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said by Michieru2 :I was simply laughing over that he has a dirty bathroom. Hey! I've always kept my bathroom immaculately clean. It's just difficult to spy on people when everything is in a small room. Not to mention how the steam from the shower doesn't play nice with the computer equipment... it was just better to move it all out of there.
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Miami, FL | Sure  . If you need to borrow some Clorox feel free to ask.  |
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tsu9
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Luckily, we have no really fricken' intrusive devices.
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pnh102
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said by MrMaster :ON MY GOD!!! I knew it!!! Finally, proof of the nazi regime's hold on the country. Damn that Bush!!! If you think that proof is neat you should see what my room dug up on the JFK assassination
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footballdude
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said by RadioDoc :It's a problem when religious people in government--and in power--use said power to force their morality on others who disagree. All laws are a relection of morality to one extent or another. Just as all government is a restriction of freedom. The OP claimed that people were increasingly pushing religion into government. Since I haven't seen any laws forcing anyone into going to church I can only assume he means there are too many religious people assuming power. Which is a patently absurd statement.
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fiberguy
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| OP here, ... Let's see,
No, once again you are trying to make my original comment into something that it's not. Don't assume,... ask. Of course there are no laws forcing people into church. If you think that being forced into church is the only thing that qualifies government's push of religion onto the public, then maybe it's time to broaded your views.
The government is made up of many people of many beliefs and faiths and other personal mindsets. Yes, some of those beliefs are interjected into the way they govern and do their job. However, when you abuse the power you were given to force the view and beliefs of the church into public policy, THAT is where government is pushing religion into the private sector. There are many areas where that line between the two is crossed regularly and those in power to make corrections (our checks and balances) can often fail. It sometimes takes a few generations to get it right.
There is a battle right now fighting that line and it's heating up as we all know.
What IS obvious is the push of the following:
- Faith based funding by the government for charitable reasons.
- Setting up prayer in public school, private sessions or not.
- The need to push the 10 commandments on public courthouses or governmental buildings... Existing monuments or not. (Just because something was there for a while doesn't make it right)
- Banning gay marriage, which was never illegal until about the 70's, is a push by the church. It's a drive of the church to violate the rights of a group of tax paying citizens the same rights as others, because of the church.
...just add any of the changes to the laws and constitutions that are being driven "by the church" and tell me that church's are not pushing their agenda onto the general public via the government. In case you didn't know, church has no business in the people's government - well, they can, but they loose their tax exempt status, and I am PERFECTLY ok with that! |
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We see the government attempting to pass laws based solely on a certain right-wing pseudo-Christian religious dogma, a la "gay marriage", abortion, etc. Such laws force everyone into "going to church".
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In all honesty, I think the discussion of gay marriage in general is nothing but a red herring. People get all frothed up over something they think they care about, but really don't. I really don't care, much like the whole abortion issue (ugh, just the thought of discussing it sickens me).
On the issue of religion in government. I can't see how anyone has a problem with prayer in school, especially in private session. As long as no one is forced to pray, or believe in a particular religion, then there really is no violation of the establishment clause. I mean, in private? You really have a problem with people praying in private in a school? This is a real head scratcher for me. I would think someone would have the right to pray in private wherever they want. What if I'm Muslim and I have to pray 5 times a day? Are you going to deny me the right to practice my religion just because I attend a public school? I I'm by no means some wacko religious zealot, I haven't even been to a church service ( I was raised catholic, but rarely attend, if ever any more) in close to 5 years. Don't get me wrong, I don't think kids should be forced to pray at all, or even have a moment of silence if they don't want to, but in private? You got me, man..
One of the local churches rents the middle school cafeteria in my school district because their congregation has gotten too large for their church. Is that a problem?
There is a historical argument when it comes to the display of the 10 commandments in/on a court house. IMHO, another political red herring for BOTH sides of the issue. My opinion? WHO GIVES A SHIT. Big deal. Post yesterday's baseball scores, or a list of Spongebob Squarepants quotes for all I care, as long as I get a fair hearing when I walk in the courtroom.
I mean, on any of the issues listed above, I'm not picking up a protest sign and screaming slogans for either side. I couldn't care less who marries who (I have no intrest in being married, anyway), who prays where(I don't pray all that much, myself), and whats posted at the door of the courthouse (I spend WAY too much time in court  ).
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|  very well said. As far as the church renting the middle school - in the past it's been a problem because some municipalities have given special discounts to churches which wanted to rent (1$ fees), while charging market price to everyone else who wanted to rent the space. As long as everything is equal opportunity, I have no problem with it.
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said by RadioDoc :Such laws force everyone into "going to church". (also replying to fiberguy)
Why is murder illegal? Because it's immoral. Or, more to the point, the people who created the law found it to be immoral. The same can be said about nearly all laws. Socialists think it immoral for a CEO to make too much money and would pass a law placing a salary cap on CEO pay were they in power. Green Party people think it immoral to cut down trees and would make it illegal were they in power. Christians think abortion immoral and those who've been elected by them are trying to make it illegal now that they're in power. You cannot separate morality and religion from government and everyday life.
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President Charles Logan anyone??? On Fox's smash hit show 24. Evereyone said no he is a douchbag he ain't capable of flushing the toilet let alone masterminding some sinister plot. Only thing that worries me is that we don't have a real life Jack Bauer to keep the GOV & the terrorists in check 
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