cbrain
join:2000-05-21
Silver Spring, MD Reviews:
 ·Future Nine Corp..
·Google Voice
 ·Verizon FiOS
 ·DSL EXTREME
 ·Comcast
·VoicePulse for B..
| reply to TheOtherPete
Re: Verizon Goes to Court to bring FIOS TV to Mont County MD The hearing will be in Baltimore, courtroom 5C.
Tuesday, 08-08-2006 @10:00 AM
»www.mdd.uscourts.gov/calendar/Ne···Balt.asp
Baltimore Division
101 W. Lombard Street
Baltimore, MD 21201
(410) 962-2600
»www.mdd.uscourts.gov/default.asp
I understand it will not be catered. |
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 JTRockvilleData HoPremium,MVM
join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD | I didn't see a link for the live broadcast. Do you know if the hearing is available on-line? |
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Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| reply to BarneyBadAss
said by BarneyBadAss:...Oh I don't know about that... I have Vz. FIOS and those around me that still have Comcast HSI aren't seeing any drop in prices for the HSI. ... hasn't roberts/comcast repeatedly insisted he will not compete on price? I don't think the investors would take too kindly to a price war - telco investors were nervous as hell about $19.95/mo DSL until it was explained to them it was just a come on and didn't really reduce the price over 12-24 months. |
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cbrain
join:2000-05-21
Silver Spring, MD Reviews:
·Future Nine Corp..
·Google Voice
·Verizon FiOS
·DSL EXTREME
·Comcast
·VoicePulse for B..
| reply to JTRockville
said by JTRockville:I didn't see a link for the live broadcast. Do you know if the hearing is available on-line? I don't think they video hearings. Why don't you check with CourtTV?  |
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cbrain
join:2000-05-21
Silver Spring, MD | reply to cbrain
court calendar link update
»www.mdd.uscourts.gov/calendar/Di···more.asp |
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DonLibesPremium,ExMod 2001
join:2003-01-19 | reply to JTRockville
said by JTRockville:Anything interesting happen at today's quarterly review (I wasn't able catch it)? Finally got done writing it up: CDV Complaints Commence
Sorry for the title but "Quarterly Review" was too boring. If you can think of a better name, let me know. |
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BarneyBadAssBadasses Fight For FreedomPremium
join:2004-05-07
00001 | Don,
Nice write up as usual.
Thanks for putting it together for us all, I appreciate it!
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JTRockvilleData HoPremium,MVM
join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| reply to meb
said by meb:said by PaulGo:...Verizon only wants to install it in profitable areas excluding many county residences that are either in areas which less than x number of houses per square mile or that they deem not profitable. To me this is not a level playing field since Comcast has under a county agreement wired these areas. Where has Verizon stated or implied it wants to install FiOS selectively except for density? Comcast has similar density requirements. ... If I read this correctly, VZ just agreed to upgrade their entire footprint in the state of NJ within 6 years, regardless of density.
»www.njleg.state.nj.us/2006/Bills···4_I1.HTM
So why is VZ putting up such a fuss in MC about density? Why not agree to upgrade the entire footprint, like they did in NJ? |
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So why is VZ putting up such a fuss in MC about density? Why not agree to upgrade the entire footprint, like they did in NJ?
Could it be the population of Nj. is a lot more than the entire state of Md.? |
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BarneyBadAssBadasses Fight For FreedomPremium
join:2004-05-07
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2 edits | said by I wish I knew who I :
Could it be the population of Nj. is a lot more than the entire state of Md.?
Nice try;
State Population Square Miles
New Jersey 8143412 7419
Maryland 5171634 9775
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So there are 2971578 more people in Nj than Md but Md has 2356 more square miles than Nj... so perhaps its not the population but the additional miles in Md...
No.. I'm not talking about MoCo... but just gross population data...
For additional information try this:
»quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/24000.html
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JTRockvilleData HoPremium,MVM
join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| reply to I wish I knew who I
I find it hard to believe that every single area in VZ's footprint in NJ is densely populated.
But the areas VZ has refused to commit to upgrading in MCMD are pretty populated. So I'm still left wondering why VZ is willing to commit to upgrading their entire footprint in NJ, but not in MCMD? |
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JTRockvilleData HoPremium,MVM
join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
1 edit | reply to BarneyBadAss
Don't you think Montgomery County MD is much more densely populated than, say, Frederick County MD? I think the areas VZ is declining to commit to are probably some of the most densely populated in the state.
Does VZ's footprint in NJ only cover densely populated areas? |
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BarneyBadAssBadasses Fight For FreedomPremium
join:2004-05-07
00001 | JT,
I can "presume" your comments to be correct... but without some research to back it up I dunno....
I was simply responding to the anon. poster...
It does seem logical the density in Nj at a gross level appears to be greater than Md. on just the first inspection.. but that's as far as I looked...
I'll bet there's some data out there that can address this "mo betta" than I did.... like I said in the initial post.. its just "gross" data...
So on a gross level it seems more reasonable (at least to me) that Vz. would likely be more willing to do the entire state ... just look at the #'s in my prior post..
It should be obvious....
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JTRockvilleData HoPremium,MVM
join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| I don't think it's obvious. Without digging further, I'd presume the "gross" statewide numbers are misleading, particularly without knowing what parts of NJ Verizon serves, and considering that VZ's beef is not with the state of MD, just MC (probably the most densely populated part of the state). |
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BarneyBadAssBadasses Fight For FreedomPremium
join:2004-05-07
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1 edit | JT,
here's a detailed description,
»www.census.gov/popest/gallery/ma···s05.html
look at the
"Download the table associated with this map .xls (24k)
data; perhaps this will say it better than I can.. but recall this was a discussion about Nj. and Vz. supposedly being prepaird to offer service to "EVERYONE" in that state... :vs: just MoCo...
(notice I didn't say anything about whether the decisions were right or wrong... )... just kind of looking at the data...
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JTRockvilleData HoPremium,MVM
join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
2 edits | Verizon is not required to upgrade everyone in the state of NJ. From what I can tell, they're required to upgrade everyone in their current NJ footprint.
Your link doesn't show data for Verizon's current footprint in NJ, so we can't know what the density of VZ's NJ footprint is.
But the data you link to do show that NJ (the entire state) is populated less densely than Montgomery County using the July 2005 estimates, yet:
• Verizon has agreed to upgrade everyone in their NJ footprint within 6 years (at least I think that's what the NJ bill requires); and
• Verizon will not commit to upgrading everyone in MC under any circumstances. |
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BarneyBadAssBadasses Fight For FreedomPremium
join:2004-05-07
00001 | JT,
Fair comments all;
Certainly it would be really nice if we had more data from Vz. so more analysis could be performed... but.. I doubt we'll be seeing any of that data unless some nice person from inside Vz. who has access to it would share it 
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JohnAPremium
join:2003-09-16
Pittsburgh, PA | reply to JTRockville
said by JTRockville:If I read this correctly, VZ just agreed to upgrade their entire footprint in the state of NJ within 6 years, regardless of density. » www.njleg.state.nj.us/2006/Bills···4_I1.HTMSo why is VZ putting up such a fuss in MC about density? Why not agree to upgrade the entire footprint, like they did in NJ? You're off on a tangent, JT. These talks hung on primary issues. They probably never got to density, other than initial proposals. This is one of the straws MC grasped to try and make themselves look better.
The areas you're ranting about are not done. They have to be included in the future build side. If I had to deal with Rockville I'd want ten years too. Might take 7 years of no activity in Rockville, to get reasonable ROW rates out of them. |
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Liz
join:2000-06-24
Potomac, MD Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
·Comcast
| reply to JTRockville
said by JTRockville: ... • Verizon will not commit to upgrading everyone in MC under any circumstances. What do you base that comment on?
I understood fiber is lower maintenance and Verizon intends to convert their entire system eventually. Verizon has over 100 video agreements so far. How many does Montgomery County have? I maintain an open mind but the numbers don't make my county look very good, and ongoing Comcast performance make them look very bad. |
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JTRockvilleData HoPremium,MVM
join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| reply to JohnA
I'm just pointing out differences in what Verizon's willing to do in other jurisdictions vs what they're willing to agree to in MC. Why do you call that a rant? I don't even have any skin in this game, since I'm not likely to see the light until I move (which will be probably be never). As far as I can tell, Verizon refused to agree to upgrade the entire county. If Verizon has disputed Romer's claim about that, I'd love to see a link.
Has Verizon's entire footprint in NJ already been upgraded? If not, then I'm still left wondering why Verizon would agree to cover (presumably) less dense areas in NJ, but put up a stink about denser areas in MC.
If VZ has issues with Rockville's ROW fees (they'd be fools not to), they ought to have filed suit against Rockville, rather than try to exlude Rockville from the franchise agreement. Rockville's fees have been a known issue for years now, and it seems Verizon would have an easy time making a case for their unreasonableness. So if VZ's refusal to upgrade Rockville is really a fee dispute, it's an odd choice of venue.
Rockville's fees aside... what explains Verizon's unwillingness to cover the other areas they're unwilling to commit to in MC? It wouldn't surprise me if they all had unreasonable fees too, but I have no evidence to hang that claim on.
Do you think Verizon would simply prefer to negotiation smaller footprints in MD? |
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