LetsRok
join:2001-01-21
Clinton, TN | are you kidding?
And these are the people deciding the fate of the Internet? Sad |
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Nerdtalker
Working Hard, Or Hardly Working?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-02-18
Tucson, AZ
clubs:
| said by LetsRok  :And these are the people deciding the fate of the Internet? Sad Tubes... What a false analogy. Amazing yet pathetic.
[accent]You're clogging up my tubes with all that massive stuff like the back 'o my pickup truck!!1!??! I CAN"T GET MY EMAILS!!111/?![/accent]
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"Some people never see the light till it shines thru bullet holes." -Bruce Cockburn
I'm testing Gmail's spam filters: Broadbandreports1@gmail.com
Spam: 12900+ messages currently using 406 MB. |
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The Beer
I Love It When A Plan Comes Together
Premium
join:2001-07-24
Omaha, NE
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| If you would like to test the internet thingy and see how clogged it is to send him an email you can do so here...
»stevens.senate.gov/contact.cfm
See if it gets there before next Thursday |
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL | reply to LetsRok
Fuck the internet...these people are deciding the fate of this nation. I wouldn't let him pick what I put on my plate at a Chinese Buffet. |
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DSLdewd
join:2004-06-05
Denver, CO | reply to LetsRok
That was so rediculously stupid, I couldn't even finish reading it. |
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backness
join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2 | reply to Nerdtalker
"Do you know why?
Because they have to have theirs delivered immediately. They can't afford getting delayed by other people."
or maybe it is to keep the information from being intercepted..
what an ass |
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CrazyTown
@verizon.net
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damonlab
wriley
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He used some crazy words, but his point is exactly what is going on.. I'm not sure why everybody in here continues to harp on Net Neutrality, because it isnt going to impact any of you.. Any normal user should want the pipe controlled, if not your bandwidth will suffer.. I'm not sure why anyone would want to share bandwith with Google, knowing they are going to use 90% of the available Pipe, leaving everyone else with 10%.. The issue isnt about making them pay, the issue is if they don't pay then everyone else will.. The Senator has the point, he just doesn't have the terminology.. |
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wheeled
join:2004-12-31
Edmonton, AB | reply to LetsRok
" And these are the people deciding the fate of the Internet? Sad"
Are not these the same people deciding the direction and fate of your country...WoW! |
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willp1
Premium
join:2003-12-19
Las Cruces, NM | reply to LetsRok
What expect from party of idiots and marons. Look at the Idiot Gw Bush |
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horsehockey
@istation.com
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damonlab
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Um, I think Google pays for their bandwidth too. |
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Brigrat
join:2003-09-01
Lovington, NM
 ·Windstream
 ·WildBlue
 ·Alltel Axess
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wow, you are calling other people names in a post that is nearly as retarded as the article in question...
Get a life partner...
I am a life long conservative and proud of it, and I will be the first to admit that this guy is a first class idiot when it comes to technology...but hey, he didn't invent the internet like AlGORE, so give him some time to learn the ropes. I am sure ALGORE isn't fond of sharing the secrtets of the internet with the opposition... |
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qworster
join:2001-11-25
Los Angeles, CA | Let's put this one to bed...
Let me say this ONE LAST TIME:
AL GORE NEVER CLAIMED TO HAVE INVENTED THE INTERNET!!!!
JESUS! Why can't you all get this through your thick skulls!! |
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Brigrat
join:2003-09-01
Lovington, NM | Not in so many words, but he certainly took credit for its existence... |
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peter_m
Premium
join:2005-07-13
Canada, QC
2 edits | reply to CrazyTown
Re: are you kidding?
said by CrazyTown :
I'm not sure why anyone would want to share bandwidth with Google, knowing they are going to use 90% of the available Pipe, leaving everyone else with 10%.. The issue isn't about making them pay, the issue is if they don't pay then everyone else will.. The Senator has the point, he just doesn't have the terminology..
Ok, Google is not swallowing everyone else bandwidth. When I use my internet access (witch I payed for with money), I access content and services offered by Google out of my own free will. Google also pays for it's access to the internet. Where is the problem? What does that have to do with your pipes?
If you don't understand how the internet functions in terms of technology and principals, try taking a networking class at your local computer science school. |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
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"Get a life partner..." What? Are you telling him to be gay and get a life partner? or to "Get a life, partner..."
You are just as bad by judging him as he is calling names. But, I guess ince you are a "lige long conservative and proud of it" that you are right and everyone else is wrong?
The problems with conservatives, and dems are just as bad, is that they think "the other side" is wrong. There are two sides to every store, usually more, and each side belives only theirs is correct. It's SOOOO funny to sit back and watch you party-liners , a.k.a, ONE liners, think they have all the answers. It's no wonder neither of you guys "get it"
AS for your "give him some time to learn the ropes" comment, no... no time. His time is up! He's old, he's out dated, he's ready to retire. The guys a duck and quacking like crazy.
These people are in office to conduct our business and represent their people. Many of them fail at this on both sides and they also embarass our country just about everytime they speak.
These quotes are nothing more than an example of a horrible job they are doing. They made a great salary and to do what? Talk like a commplete idiot? Does he not have staff researching these issues? or is he just spewing out what makes sense for the ones that write his check? and I don't mean the tax payor either... I am talking about the corporate paycheck.
The guy didn't do his home work, period! He understands *nothing* or he wouldn't have sounded like an "idiot"
so, don't come here and puff up your chest about being a "life long conservative and proud of it"... say that all you want on election day.
I'm sorry to go on here but this notion that Republicans have that the other side is wrong, or retarded or that being liberal is a mental disease is just as idiotic as this Seanator. (I say all of this becuase if you are a life long conservative, you must follow party lines to a T and this is the current public diatribe at the moment. Fair is fair!)
Trying to curb an insult by throwing another or pointing out someone else's 'problem' is not a surprise. |
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tschmidt
Premium,MVM
join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
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Both sides pay for access
said by CrazyTown :
Any normal user should want the pipe controlled, if not your bandwidth will suffer.. I'm not sure why anyone would want to share bandwith with Google, knowing they are going to use 90% of the available Pipe, leaving everyone else with 10%.. The issue isnt about making them pay, the issue is if they don't pay then everyone else will.. How do you figure Google does not pay? Everyone pays for Internet access. Google Pays for very big pipes to the Internet backbone. You as a user pay for whatever speed you need.
It is a spacious argument saying they do not pay. I use a hosting service to run my site. Part of the monthly cost goes to pay for the server the other part to bandwidth transit costs. I'm sure if you asked Justin about what it costs to keep BBR on the web he would disagree that he was not paying his own way.
The wisdom embodied in Internet design is transparent bit delivery. Anyone can set up shop on the Internet to deliver new service. They are able to do so without the permission or cooperation of the network owner. That encourages experimentation an innovation.
That is what is at stake.
/Tom |
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Brigrat
join:2003-09-01
Lovington, NM
·Windstream
·WildBlue
·Alltel Axess
| reply to fiberguy
Re: are you kidding?
You obviously didn't read my post...I completely agree that this guy is an idiot...the learn the ropes comment was obviously a joke, get a clue...Party liner...are you kidding me? Since I am an Independant Conservative, I have no party...
If I didn't believe that I am right and everyone else is wrong, then I wouldn't BELIEVE anything...the whole concept of belief is that what you believe is right...you cannot believe somthing if you think you are wrong...but I suppose absolute truisms are a little beyond you...there must be a series of grey areas in there for you...
You just came in here, and did exactly what you are accusing me of doing...
Liberalism is not a disease, it is a religion, and a funny one at that...
Just go back to your cave, worship teachers who don't teach, and politicians who don't know what free choice is, and stay out of conversations you are to jaded to understand...
I love indignant internet morons who start every counter argument with gramatical errors...you are hilarious... |
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rradina
join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
 ·Charter Pipeline
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CrazyTown -- are you trolling? Your statements defy logic. Google and every other content provider pays a lot of money for their "bandwidth" to the Internet.
In the early days the bandwidth providers increased the efficiency of the pipe and lowered prices. They saw their "money grab" as luring more and more customers to connect to their transportation system. And they were successful. As prices dropped, revenue climbed as more and more customers joined.
Now with access ubiquitous, revenue growth has slowed. Instead of simply selling more, they need to figure out ways to be more efficient. But it's far easier to increase margins by raising prices than lowering costs.
Unhappy with their current lot, the bandwidth providers are seeking a way to grow revenue by redefining the landscape. While this would be as it should be in an capitalist society, I don't believe sufficient competition exists for the providers to police themselves. Wave after wave of ILEC mergers and buyouts have left us with only a few competitors. The oligopoly has spoken and they want to examine what is being transferred and charge a premium based on content value.
Their premise is that those who make more money, can pay to have their traffic prioritized. It's a sound assumption with the unfortunate side effect of potentially stifling innovation and competition in the entire tech sector. Soon bandwidth will be the key to every tech-centric business as they convert their business models from selling units to selling services.
What small businesses are asking is that our government police the oligopoly to prevent them from creating a landscape where the price of entry is so steep as to prevent all but the richest companies from providing new services. Such an environment is lazy in that it produces predictable growth and measured innovation. This would be unlike emerging world powers where government has taken a heavy hand in promoting massive communications infrastructures to ensure innovation's pace is as rapid as possible.
If we let the bandwidth providers have their way, it will be similar to the electric company charging a jewelry store (with 300% margins) more per kilowatt than a grocery store (5% margins). Not only that but in times of peak usage, the grocery store's frozen food may spoil to ensure that the jewelry store's customers always see the sparkle in that massive engagement stone.
Of course if we listen to the oligopoly, we either do this or face "clogged" pipes -- as the senator asserts. As I understand it, the Internet 2 proved that prioritization is a fools game. Although Quality of Service (QOS) prioritization schemes help in very predictable situations, the Internet 2 (like the Internet) was too unpredictable. Rather than QOS, they simply added more bandwidth and the problems vanished. |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
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said by Brigrat :I love indignant internet morons who start every counter argument with gramatical errors...you are hilarious... I try to be...
I would think from my post that you'd see that I too am an independant.
But, if you want to say something as a joke, sometimes a  after the joke helps.  |
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Spudge_Boy
join:2004-09-17
Orange, CA | reply to Brigrat
Re: Let's put this one to bed...
No he didn't. He spoke about how he pushed for legislation that help to bring about the Internet we know today. Everything was a bunch of text and crap, until Al Gore started telling everybody abou the "Information Superhighway" |
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