Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | reply to itguy05
Re: Acceptable use?
Congratulations for paying too much for inferior hardware, I hope OSX was worth it. |
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JPuppy
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join:2002-11-24
Honesdale, PA
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| said by Ahrenl  :Congratulations for paying too much for inferior hardware, I hope OSX was worth it. Actually, yes, it is worth it.
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Lord Wanker
join:2001-10-23
Montreal, QC
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Re: Coffee Shops with Wi-Fi
said by Greg_Z If you go up to Canada, especially the Toronto area, there are more Indian resident Aliens/Canadian Citizens then there are True Canadians.
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itguy05
join:2005-06-17
Camp Hill, PA
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Re: Acceptable use?
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Congratulations for paying too much for inferior hardware, I hope OSX was worth it.
How do you figure? I have a DVD burner (8x), Bluetooth 2.0 (use for my Treo and keyboard), 802.11g, lighted keyboard (best invention ever), and a decent CPU (about equal to a P4/2.5 Ghz or so). Couple that with the time saving features of OSX and it was worth the $100 or so premium I paid over a comparable HP, Compaq, Dell, etc.
And now that the MacBooks are on Intel, the hardware is superior to 90% of laptops out there and costs little more than them too.
So, please tell me how I paid too much for inferior hardware? And while you're at it, chastise those who buy Alienware, Falcon Northwest, IBM, Dell workstations, etc. Cause they all spent more than I did on generic PC hardware that is no better than most. But I guess that doesn't fit your nice neat fallacy. |
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sweintz
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join:2002-03-01
Hamden, CT
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said by Ahrenl :Congratulations for paying too much for inferior hardware, I hope OSX was worth it. superior software (in most cases) more than offsets inferior hardware. |
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linicx
Caveat Emptor
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join:2002-12-03
United State
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How can I judge whether or not your hardware is inferior IF I do not have the identical setup using the identical hardware and peripherals? The answer is I can't, and If I can't then all the rhetoric is moot. it's moot anyway for there is no way to compare an Apple built computer to a company that sells software in a paper sleeve. There are three major platforms for home/office computer use. Some things work better on one platform than another. It's always been that way and it will always be that way until all computer software and hardware is cross-platform, or there is only one platform for all. I used all three, built two of the three and after a number of years I still prefer the one that I feel is the most reliable for the job. Some days it's UNIX and some days it's DOS.
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lovewomen
join:2003-08-07
Springfield, VA
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Before Xmas 2005 I was setting in my car in a parking spot by a coffee shop which is in the same shopping center as a grocery store in which my wife was shopping. I had my laptop computer, which has a EVDO card in it. I was surfing the internet and I heard this tap on my window. The owner of the store was mad and said he was tired of people using his internet for free etc. I pointed out to him the EVDO card, ejected the card and waved it at him. He at last understood and left. I just hope someday I get a chance to get some money from one of these people who think they know everything. |
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calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA
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Re: Coffee Shops with Wi-Fi
said by Lord Wanker :One could argue that True Canadians are Indians. Only if you perpetuate Columbus's mistake in confusing Native Americans and Asian Indians....
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to itguy05
Re: Acceptable use?
Heh.. Well, I'd argue people who buy HP, Compaq, and Dell are also paying way to much for inferior hardware. People who buy Alienware (and usually Mac's, unless they're stupid) don't care about money. They just want something that is going to look nice.
OSX is superior, or at least good, if you "Edit video, or create websites", but if you use anything that requires DirectX, or (in my experience) advanced VBA office apps, then it is NOT worth the extra cost.
As for reliability, there is no difference. If you're even a little bit educated you shouldn't have any problems. Of course many aren't (educated with computers) and for those, either system will be equally as useless. |
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itguy05
join:2005-06-17
Camp Hill, PA
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Well, I'd argue people who buy HP, Compaq, and Dell are also paying way to much for inferior hardware. People who buy Alienware (and usually Mac's, unless they're stupid) don't care about money. They just want something that is going to look nice.
I guess you can say that if you ignore the factrs that those machines typically are better quality and will have better performance than the low end machines. Esp. in the case of Alienware, Falcon, and other top end pc manufacturers. Those guys put out top performing machines.
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OSX is superior, or at least good, if you "Edit video, or create websites", but if you use anything that requires DirectX, or (in my experience) advanced VBA office apps, then it is NOT worth the extra cost.
I do far more than Edit video or create websites. I also manage my digital photo library, run a business, and can even manage an AD network in a pinch. In short, my Powerbook is the do everything machine.
I don't game - never have, PC or Mac, and even use "advanced VBA Office Apps" on my Mac.
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As for reliability, there is no difference. If you're even a little bit educated you shouldn't have any problems. Of course many aren't (educated with computers) and for those, either system will be equally as useless.
Actually there is a difference. A very big difference. I've seen enough computers from the inside out to know there is a HUGE quality difference from the top to the bottom. |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA
·Verizon FIOS
| You can continue to think there is a difference but there's not. I, and the people I know who use computers for a living, never had the common complaints (since DOS was dropped from Windoze) usually pontificated by Mac users.
Pre-built machines are crap. They use the cheapest hardware for the most important parts because people are ignorant of "motherboards", memory speeds, and integrated graphics. Sure HP, Dell, and Compaq will typically be better than Acer or eMachines, but better smelling sh!t is still what it is.
I'm not saying there are things either system can do that the other can't. (except with respect to DirectX use-ability) I grew up with Mac's, but I like to build my own systems, use a lot of open source software, and *gasp* play the occasional game. So Macs aren't for me. They're also not for most people, but I'm certainly not trying to contend that they're not good for anyone. There's at least 2.5% of computer users that Macs are perfect for. |
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itguy05
join:2005-06-17
Camp Hill, PA
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You can continue to think there is a difference but there's not. I, and the people I know who use computers for a living, never had the common complaints (since DOS was dropped from Windoze) usually pontificated by Mac users.
Guess that's why my Thinkpad, going on 2 years of an XP install will:
1) Forget how to connect to my WiFi at home after about 3-4 days of sleep/wake cycles.
2) Will spontaneously reboot on a resume from sleep
3) Will BSOD sometimes when undocking it
None of these things occur on my Powerbook - it sleeps, wakes, and connects to networks FLAWLESSLY.
XP is better than 2k and 9x, but it is still far behind Linux and OS X in terms of stability and reliability.
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Pre-built machines are crap.
Unfortunately if you want a laptop (which I do), pre-built is all you get.
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I grew up with Mac's, but I like to build my own systems, use a lot of open source software, and *gasp* play the occasional game. So Macs aren't for me. They're also not for most people, but I'm certainly not trying to contend that they're not good for anyone. There's at least 2.5% of computer users that Macs are perfect for.
I have to hear how they're not good for most people? Most people want a reliable computer that's as bulletproof as their TV or DVD player. Windows does not offer that by a long shot. OSX comes as close to that reliability as we can get today. They are the best choice for most people - problem is they have the stereotype of being expensive and not compatible. Boh of which are blatantly false.
If you use OSS, most has been recompiled or is available for OSX - check out Fink.... |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA
·Verizon FIOS
| I'm sorry you have problems with your thinkpad. Although I haven't used that brand myself, many, many, many people have no problems with their Wintel machines. Here's a great quote from a different thread. (I'm not saying that YOU'RE any of the things in the quote, It just illustrates the point perfectly. I edited out some unnecessary flame. )
I find the people that have a hard time with things like Outlook, virii and spyware and are consistently asking for help usually have other problems linked to their {edited out} laziness. These people tend to also do things like drive their car with the Check Engine light on, try to exit through the entrance doorway, checkout 40 items in the 8 or less item line and reverse up highway on-ramps.
Some people like myself have no problems with MS products, no crashes, no virii and no spyware.
Usually when different people have different reactions to the exact same product it is the user to blame. " As for laptops, well, I never buy em, as they're all over priced. I don't think that the stereotype of Mac's being over priced is blatantly false however. Every comparison I've done has shown that to be on whole very accurate. As for incompatibility, It's definitely true (as I actually stated) that both systems can do the same things (sans DirectX). My big complaints with compatibility always come from Linux (and can inadvertently be projected to OSX) which I've tried many times b/c of a fanatical friend of mine, and which has always failed to achieve the usability promised. |
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