TK Junk Mail
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Re: Daniel Berninger - conflict of interest?
said by Ahrenl  :No Doubt. But are you contending that the USF actually accomplishes what it is supposed to? No. I think the whole USF should be dropped completely. It is just another unneeded tax accomplishing nothing. But if the tax exists, then VOIP companies shouldn't be left off the hook either.
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
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| Agreed, but new entrants into the industry shouldn't be forced to pay into it until the power to disperse the funds are taken away from their entrenched competitors. They should have equal access to the funds; or service providers should be separated from infrastructure owners, as it should be. Then it would just be service providers collecting funds for the pipeline servicers, who would build improvement for everyone. This is just another problem created by the lack of free market. Unreproducible assets can't be used in competition if you want it to be free and fair. |
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thegoldwater
Thegoldwater
join:2002-03-10
Parkton, MD
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Why shouldn't ANY *service* companies be left off the hook. When you read the enabling legislation for the USF-- it is about providing access through infrastructure to rural areas, not necessarily *services*. The original intent of the legislation was to make sure that telcos were actually wiring rural areas in the same manner they wire urban areas.
Why should services subsidize hardware infrastructure?
By that argument, Google should be taxed to help pay to run copper down the road. |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA
·Verizon FIOS
| Google doesn't provide voice communications. If they did, that part of their business should have to collect USF fees. Just like companies providing full time multi-channel video services should either ALL be subject to local franchise agreements, or none of them should. There shouldn't' be a double standard. But it works the other way too. The large incumbents should be in charge of how/where the money is spent either. If you're going to have government intervention, it needs to be as equal as possible or you eventually end up with market imbalances. (like say large service duopolies) |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
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said by TK Junk Mail :said by Ahrenl :No Doubt. But are you contending that the USF actually accomplishes what it is supposed to? No. I think the whole USF should be dropped completely. It is just another unneeded tax accomplishing nothing. But if the tax exists, then VOIP companies shouldn't be left off the hook either. Let's drop it entirely.
I propose to slash the Iraqi budget of Pentagon entirely as well and use it for telecommunication purposes. It's a win-win: grunts will be home, contributing to the domestic production and within very short time we will be the #1 broadband nation of the world. |
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
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join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA | reply to TK Junk Mail
No "company" is on the hook for USF...CONSUMERS are. Consumers are the ones paying the bills. |
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R4M0N
Brazilian Soccer Ownz Joo
join:2000-10-04
Glen Allen, VA | reply to kamm
Keep proposing it. One day someone will care to pay attention. |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA
·Verizon FIOS
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Slashing the budget won't bring anyone home or solve anything. It needed to be stopped before it started. But since the congress is spineless, and we've got a cowboy in the executive branch, with a bunch of 3rd termers (1st was Bush senior for most of those guys) as his cabinet; we're there. If we just pull out all it once it would be civil war, followed by an invasion by Iran. You want Iran to control more of our oil supply, AND share a border with Saudi Arabia, where we get MOST of our oil? Bad Idea.
Back on topic, we can slash the USF without making any budget cuts, because the money it collects isn't doing anything anyway. |
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guitarzan
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join:2004-05-04
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said by kamm :Let's drop it entirely. I propose to slash the Iraqi budget of Pentagon entirely as well and use it for telecommunication purposes. It's a win-win: grunts will be home, contributing to the domestic production and within very short time we will be the #1 broadband nation of the world. fixed it for you
I say double it. This way the DOD, can send more ammo & armor, to our Troops, so they can kick more azz, complete the mission objectives earlier than projected, and America can hold a big "Welcome back home Boys" celebration in honor of their heroic service to our Country.
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bentman78
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join:2004-04-16
Arlington, VA | reply to TK Junk Mail
screw that....until the government fixes it's problems then they get no more money. Tax VOIP providers when you've figured out where the rest of the money you extort from us is going. |
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Fatal Vector
join:2005-11-26 | reply to kamm
Kamm, buddy! I just knew you'd have to get in a political bash the war post in a totally unrelated thread. You've re inforced my faith in you, my friend. |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
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said by guitarzan :said by kamm :Let's drop it entirely. I propose to slash the Iraqi budget of Pentagon entirely as well and use it for telecommunication purposes. It's a win-win: grunts will be home, contributing to the domestic production and within very short time we will be the #1 broadband nation of the world. fixed it for you ? What?
I say double it. This way the DOD, can send more ammo & armor, to our Troops, so they can kick more azz, complete the mission objectives earlier than projected, and America can hold a big "Welcome back home Boys" celebration in honor of their heroic service to our Country.
Umm precisley what service...?
Invading a sovereign country without any prior action, unilaterally, without international support?
Turning the whole Middle East into a big Al-Q training camp?
Driving the gas price above $3/g?
Making sure that the whole world despise us?
Securing that every single Arab of the world will hate us forever?
Leveling Iraq biggest cities to the ground?
Killing between 50,000-100,000 civilians?
Bombing back Iraq to the stone age including hospitals, schools?
Reducing the electricity, water and basic utilities to a a pre-Saddam level?
Securing power for a religious extrememist government?
Giving Iran the control over Iraq?
Helping to strip women's rights completely, rights they had even under Saddam's dictatorship?
Forcing Iraqi governement to order from only US businesses, give them concessions with no-bid process but full tax-free status so they can take out the profit immediately?
Igniting a full-blown civil war so making sure the country will remain in a "persistent vegetative state" for at least another decade or so? |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
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said by Fatal Vector :Kamm, buddy! I just knew you'd have to get in a political bash the war post in a totally unrelated thread. You've re inforced my faith in you, my friend. I guess this post is a 'filler', due to the fact that you can't say anything about my proposal, right?  |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
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said by Ahrenl :Slashing the budget won't bring anyone home or solve anything. It needed to be stopped before it started. A budget cut means the whole Iraqi adventure is over...
But since the congress is spineless, and we've got a cowboy in the executive branch, with a bunch of 3rd termers (1st was Bush senior for most of those guys) as his cabinet; we're there. If we just pull out all it once it would be civil war, followed by an invasion by Iran. You want Iran to control more of our oil supply, AND share a border with Saudi Arabia, where we get MOST of our oil? Bad Idea.
Cut the nonsense.
Iran would never invade Iraq - they are not stupid to put up with the same shit we can't fight already.
Yes, we should pull out and pay for the damages we caused. This is the international law. By the way the law also says the Occupant cannot change/move the population by force, cannot bring detainees out of their country, cannot install a goverment on its own and must provide the security of the population etc etc.
We have already failed on all counts.
We are losers, let's face it. A bunch of arrogant losers, without any fuckin' idea how to win a war - no wonder we have lost every full-blown war we've been involved since WWII (which, interestingly enough, was also the last real war where we've fought on the good side.)
Back on topic, we can slash the USF without making any budget cuts, because the money it collects isn't doing anything anyway.
I agree. |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA
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| Yeah, I'd contend we did none of those things. Personally you sound like a raving loon. Iran would absolutely invade Iraq in a heartbeat. Their oil production is declining, and is projected to continue to do so; it's one of the legitimate reasons why they want nuclear power. You're living with blinders on...
All your points about Iraq are laughably incorrect, it's not even worth discounting them one by one. They're just all wrong, and any sane person can see how. So there's no need for me to go through them. I'm sure you won't accept that, but you wouldn't have accepted the truth about each anyway. I'll make a sign for you that you can carry around that says "Support genocidal dictators who Invade their neighbors". |
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guitarzan
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I couldn't possibly agree more with your posts 
Amen to that.
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wtansill
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said by thegoldwater :By that argument, Google should be taxed to help pay to run copper down the road. You do realize that Ed Whitaker et. al. are arguing that very point, do you not? 
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