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Fatal Vector
join:2005-11-26
2 edits | reply to KoolMoe
Re: that's his mantra and he's sticking to it
"Horsepuckies.
I find it hard to believe that the only reason we don't have more upload speed is because the demand is not there. Maybe 'the demand' needs a qualifier. Going through this site, there certainly IS demand, but perhaps it's just not at the critical level where ISPs are essentially forced to listen.
The smaller ISPs were gobbled-up because they allowed people to run servers on their broadband connections? That's a pretty big leap. Any evidence to convince me? I'd think it would be either the ISP happily cashing out or the ISP not being able to get cash-flow positive...of which folks running servers is surely a tiny component.
I've had broadband (DSL) since it was offered here and my upload has never been over 768k, and that's just recent. In the past, it was never over 384k, and I've been with three different DSL providers (Rhythms, DSL Extreme, SpeakEasy).
ISPs offer tiers now. Why would they not continue? Why would you have to pay more for a connection you don't need/use so others can. Stick with your slower connection...why does that negate ISPs able to offer faster ones to those who want them?
The only reason many want faster speeds is the need for instant gratification? Mmmm, maybe in some cases. In mine, I do a lot of multimedia work and constantly need to up and download large files to clients.
Just because your habits don't demand large files being up/downloaded in minutes instead of hours does not mean everyone elses' habits are somehow whacked...
Have some perspective."
KM
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There simply is not the demand for upstream speed from Joe box of rocks, who is the majority of users on the internet. The demand is seen on boards like this where a lot of such users hang out and are in the majority, therefore presenting a distorted viewpoint.
Many of the smaller ISP's early on ran into financial trouble because they were offering true unlimited service for a monthly fee and users took advantage by running servers and commercial sites on their connections. That is why upload speed is restricted now, so such people would have to pay more for business service.
Sure, they offer tiers and they will continue to do so. I'm also sure that, as time goes on, the price of those tiers will go up and up, once the flood of dialup users switching is over. The telcos will find a way. They allways have.
And, ESPECIALLY if Ma Bell gets back together.
I didn't say that it would "Negate" anything. I simply stated I'm not interested in paying more for a connection I dont need/use
For that matter, from what I've seen here and around the net, the only people who are willing to paty for uber connections are gamers, those running servers and those having business needs for one. Once again we run into the distorted viewpoint here on this topic because most who hang here want such connections for whatever reason, it doesn't matter, really, why they want them.
And, as far as it goes, perhaps it's you that should have some perspective. | |
KoolMoe
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join:2001-02-14
Annapolis, MD
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| There simply is not the demand for upstream speed from Joe box of rocks, who is the majority of users on the internet. The demand is seen on boards like this where a lot of such users hang out and are in the majority, therefore presenting a distorted viewpoint. Agreed, that's why I suggested 'the demand' needs a qualifier. There surely IS demand, it's just not at critical mass yet (apparently?).
Many of the smaller ISP's early on ran into financial trouble because they were offering true unlimited service for a monthly fee and users took advantage by running servers and commercial sites on their connections. That is why upload speed is restricted now, so such people would have to pay more for business service.
I have a hard time believing this. I did not read about any such widescale abuses. I guess it could be a factor but I think a minute factor if any. The traffic of 5 years ago is nothing compared to today, though increased broadband access/subscription surely has a big role. I just never saw that as an issue in any forums, news, etc.
Did you?
I didn't say that it would "Negate" anything. I simply stated I'm not interested in paying more for a connection I dont need/use
Why would you have to?
For that matter, from what I've seen here and around the net, the only people who are willing to paty for uber connections are gamers, those running servers and those having business needs for one. Once again we run into the distorted viewpoint here on this topic because most who hang here want such connections for whatever reason, it doesn't matter, really, why they want them.
But that was my point. You said,
The only reason many want ever faster speeds in the first place is that they want instant gratification and are to impatient to wait a second or two.
And I countered that was likely not true.
Now your saying the reason doesn't matter...but that reason was the basis for your premise that faster speeds are unnecessary.
So if the reason people want faster connections is irrelevent, then why are faster connections not needed?
Because you don't want to pay for it? I don't see why you would need to - cheaper/slower tiers exist and will continue to.
Because people don't need it? Well, if you discount any reason people give for wanting a faster connection, then all that's left is a matter of perspective...right?
KM
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War is a test of power, not a search for truth or justice. Can the violation of the primacy of love, destruction of life, and tearing of society truly be the will of God? | |
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