God
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Well i guess some people do care very much about this, but i would gladly give up my copper in order to get the fios |
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JTRockville
Data Ho
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join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD
clubs: | I prefer to keep my copper phone. But since I can't get DSL (~20k feet), I'd gladly give it up for the glass.
If DSL were available, I'd probably want to keep it alongside the FiOS so I could have redundancy. |
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TKJunkMail
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said by God  :Well i guess some people do care very much about this, but i would gladly give up my copper in order to get the fios They may care a few years from now, when they can't go back, and Verizon starts raising the rates for Fios. Then there will be no independent DSL providers to switch to. The cable companies will be able to win back some of those Fios users at that time.
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oliphant
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Corona, CA | According to DSL Extreme (at least as posted by the GM in the DSLx forum), Verizon is doing reseller agreements for FIOS. |
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Slidetbone
Mazin Go
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join:2002-11-10
Land O Lakes, FL
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Independent DSL providers? Ummm...Verizon owns the switches. You can get VOL for cheap or pay more for another provider, which will use Verizon's DSL network...thats it.
Fios, for the bandwidth to pricing ratio is a better deal than DSL hands down. Plus, there is not 3 mile limitation.
The people complaining are looking for the $15-$17 DSL deal for pocket savings. It never became an issue before the cheap packages came to be. In fact, Verizon was losing money on $30 DSL before they lowered the pricing. Remember the closed CO posts? |
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dvd536
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Phoenix, AZ | reply to God
Who in their right mind would want to go back to DSL from FIOS? unless you're related to the slowsky's(tm)
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BarneyBadAss
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it's not really a big deal, most houses are wired with a minimum of 2 phone lines. When you get fios just tell them to connect only one of the ports and the other will remain as copper.
In my case, my second line is fiber and my main line is still copper.
Problem solved.
Now, how difficult was that?
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maartena
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Orange, CA
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Who Cares?
Not you maybe... you will probably be happy with the fiberstrand coming in your house.
But then you get a great job offer and you move out of town. And the little old lady that buys your house has more then enough with the $19,95 DSL offer that gives her 384 kbit/s down and 128 kbit/s up because she doesn't need any more then that.
And then she finds out she can't get DSL and will have to pay $34.95 a month for FIOS internet.
Solution? Offer a "cheap" FIOS package that gives 1 Mbps down, 256 Up or something like that for those who want to go back to the cheap pricing of DSL after buying a house that is fibered up already. Not everyone needs FIOS high speed, and people certainly don't want to pay for it.
Also, even though you can hook up your regular old phones to your FIOS connected house.... can you even use dialup still?
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | reply to Slidetbone
Around here, at least, you can request that your copper not be disconnected when they come to install to your house. I don't know if they've changed this policy recently however. |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA
·Verizon FIOS
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Of course you can. (In response to: can you even use dialup still?) You could even use dialup over Vonage if you wanted to. Of course it might be a little sketchy depending on your quality of service.
[I know you would need a broadband connection to use Vonage, in order to be able to use Dial up. I was just offering the example as a frame of reference. It doesn't matter the source of your modem's dial tone.] |
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bigjimc
join:2003-04-21
Middleboro, MA
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If there is no competition is it possible that the Communist of Massachusetts (oops sorry, Commonwealth of Massachusetts)will sit by and let a big company do that. No way. They will regulate it and force Verizon to provide the pipe and let others sell the service.
The hard part will be the fact that it is costing almost $1000 per house to hook up (on top of the $1000 to go by the house).
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fios troubl
join:2006-07-19
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I do. I did not have power for 16 hours since yesterday after the storm, and only because Verizon (Fios internet service) removed my copper line, I lost my emergency phone option when power is down for more than 4-6 hours. (Besides, my cellphone is working sporadically there too, and can not be charged without power). I demanded my phone line back! Verizon said: "manager will call you back. we are not saying it is impossible, but it will be a long process". Be aware of Verizon Fios cutting your emergency phone line. |
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MrBroadband
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join:2006-02-22
Oyster Bay, NY
| I had much worse reliability with old copper lines in my area that VZ refused to replace than with any Fiber issues (including blackouts). Get an APC battery backup and you will always have a source of power... Better yet, chain them together OR only turn it on when necessary.
And quit your complaining. |
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JTRockville
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Rockville, MD
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said by fios troubl :Be aware of Verizon Fios cutting your emergency phone line. Thanks for taking the time to point that out. Even though there are workarounds, it's important information to know before making the decision to switch. |
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informant
@verizon.net | reply to fios troubl
When power is out disconnect the batt until u need to make a phone call. That way it will be there when you need it. |
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JMv
join:2006-07-20
Erie, PA
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Re: I Want My Copper
Good to know that Verizon would, by default, remove the copper for FiOS - especially considering that fact that doing so is not technically neccesary!
Verizon, in my experience, does "sneaky" things like this to discourage competition.
(I once had DSL at a distance so far from the CO that I could only get it after an expansion.)
I'd been very pleased with every aspect of every Verizon service I've ever had, and their customer service had always been top notch, and quite knoledgable. So, I was horrified to discover quite the opposite in their DSL-home technical support. So bad was it that I had to use people in the DSL Sales office to intervene on my behalf.
Finally, one day, after a rude, stupid, snotty DSL tech support person got on my last nerve, I screamed at them to disconnect it altogether - which they were thrilled to do for me. In fact, it was the quickest thing they'd ever done.
They seemed happy to be rid of me as a DSL customer. But, after a few months of dial-up, when I went to get DSL from another provider (i.e. a reseller like Covad, or even Earthlink), every one of them said that it wasn't available at my address. I even tried neighbor's addresses, and it was available to them.
As a result of having been a previous Verizon DSL customer, they, somehow, blocked the availability of my DSL to any provider.
The issue of pulling copper for FiOS, without asking nor telling, seems to be a similar tactic on the part of Verizon.
Of course, FiOS is preferable to DSL, or even cable. (I wish I didn't live in an area that isn't going to get it until well after my death.) Yes, lack of copper could, theoretically be compensated for with cell phones, UPS's, back-up generators, and maybe some sort of radio controlled microwave link-up for one's alarm system. (Cost is no object, right?)
The primary point, however, seems to be this: removal of copper/POTS is not technically neccesary for fiber/FiOS service - thus leaving it's only possible justification being that of Verizon roadblocking potential competition.
As to the issue that copper/POTS trunks being replaced by fiber ones, that issue seems several decades away because of technical, regulatory, and economic issues. (This is akin to the outmoding of NRSC-TV for HDTV, originally scheduled for 2005.) The greater liklihood of a World War and/or Great Depression would push that transition time even further away. (Then the Y2K38 bug pushes it further.)
Regardless, systems that are currently dependant on copper/POTS would already be up to speed by the time fiber/FiOS (and VoIP, for that matter) is popular enough to warrant it. |
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