Vericima
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Re: The Biggest Problem With My Job
I am not trying to start trouble for anyone. The only reason Im still posting is because I didnt want to leave but the problems going on here make it impossible to stay. If it gets fixed, I'll be happy to come back. Maybe some people should stop this crap and work on the issues instead of continuing with the bickering. Yes I left because I could no longer be here. I am trying to help fix it so I could feel like I can come back. In order to heal we need to still talk about it. Nothing gets resolved by acting like it didn't happen. Maybe I was rash in leaving so soon. I think I will probably just leave that team and crunch on my own for now. This petty bickering about who left what for where is stupid. You all need a time out, like freeking children. Excuse me for trying, I'm out.
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This is the latest Seti Berkeley accounts page for you |
I believe you have joined the other team as well as the issues being put forth by you were resolved for you by moving to the other team so please don't start another situation or problem.
It does not affect or concern you any more.
We are trying to get over the split and reorganize as well as heal.
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Actually I retired from Crunching and transferred all my Work to the Team.
I wasnt even involved here till I was asked to come back as a MOD.
I am more visable when there is trouble because I am a MOD.
I would prefer to be invisable but that isnt how things worked out.
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Vericima
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It seems to me you are only active when there's trouble, why is that? Again, not a flame, just a question. |
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BBR_InsUW
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Vericima, you are correct in many ways, but there was nothing stopping the Reps for coming to the team and reporting on whats going on, nor for them to solicit info from the team.
Now that just means that the Old reps just did what they wanted.
I posted that the new team rep will be expected to report to the team on a regular basis on whats going on
It could be as simple as this:
DCS update 07-31-06
Not much going on a new project was reviewed and sent to management.
Continued discussions on Name change issues, still open
that would all be fine to have been shared but it wasnt, and that includes me as I wasnt very active till recently.
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Vericima
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said by justin  :Pretend the DCS is the UN security council. The UN security council isn't secret, either is Congress, or Supreme Court hearings. They shouldn't be. We cannot be represented by people who can't talk about what issues are going on in the DCS forum because there is no way for our representatives to know how the majority feels about issues at hand.
Another issue with DCS being secret is, we as team members don't know how our reps are doing. They could be total asshats in there, but other reps can't even tell us about it. A bunch of old dead guys wearing white wigs once said for us all to not trust our government, always question what they are doing at every turn, make them accountable for the decisions they make. Meanwhile, in present day dslr, we have our DCS government telling us "Trust us, I know what we're doing is secret, but it's for the good of the team, I promise." That just feels wrong.
I have said this every time there has been a blow up, and others have too, but so far you haven't listened or just don't care.
This is not meant to be a personal attack, I don't do that. If I hurt anyone's feelings, I'm sorry. Something needs to change. Making DCS available for public viewing is the only way I can see to make these things stop, and they need to stop.
The way I see it, most of the infighting and name calling is because people can't talk about what is actually going on. Then the personal attacks and speculation begin.
I am disappointed at how these situations have been handled, or not handled, as the case may be. What really saddens me, is that most of you are older than I and should be able to handle yourselves better than this. Please fix DCS, it's the only way to stop the madness. |
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MarkH
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I'm sure things can be settled to the satisfaction of all, and I hope it is done soon. 
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jons
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I do agree with where you're coming from (assuming I've understood it correctly!  ). Personally, I like the discussions that seem to take place within Team Helix. It's still a new place for me to adjust to, but I don't have a problem with visiting more than one forum, and getting to know more people. The Starfire forum will probably always be my (main) home, though. I enjoy the humor, the camaraderie, the rivalries, the people, and everything else!
As I've mentioned before, I don't necessarily disagree with everything "the 10" want to achieve. In fact, I'm probably more in line with those thoughts than most people realize. I know than not every DC project will use BOINC, and I see no reason for that to happen - but I would like to see a unified BOINC presense under the general DSLR/BBR banner, regardless of team orientation. I don't know the best way to achieve that, but I don't see why someone can't crunch Seti, Rosetta, and Einstein, Fold, etc. - heck, run every BOINC and non-BOINC project out there! But still visit their favorite forum and post where they want to post. Or maybe visit their team's forum for fun, and post regarding the specific project in another place, like you said. It's obviously going to be more of a concern for those of us who BOINC, because those who do not are not really affected in the same way.
Right now I think there are many people who Fold for Team Helix, crunch Seti for Starfire, etc. It was never an issue before - people had membership in multiple teams all the time! That's why I don't have a problem with it now.
Again, my biggest issue with all that's happened here lately is over how things were done, and over the fact that most Team Starfire members were not consulted
before hand. There was talk when BOINC came out about moving Team Starfire away from DSLR, and I would have followed if everyone felt it had to be done. I'd have still visited DSLR all the time, because it has so much to offer and has been a main Internet stopping point for me for years. Obviously the DSLR association is a good one for Team Starfire, though. I hope we can all come to an agreement and understanding that is beneficial for everyone. |
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Camelot One
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And I have no objection to the projects having a home. Just to the issue of those threads not being permitted outside that home. |
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said by Camelot One :Well, I think we are getting off topic, but just so its out there.... The forums are run differently. It is not a member issue, and I'm not suggesting Helix is run in a bad way. Just differently. For me the forum is home, and it needs to be a place I am comfortable. I am comfortable in StarFire and Boinc, I am not in Helix. Ok, the problem is not as much as of not wanting to be a part of the other teams, it’s about posting problems, questions, jokes and hanging around the people in the Team Starfire forum. Ok, look at it this way. This is from the TV sitcom Cheers Theme:
“Sometimes you want to go
Where everybody knows your name,
And they're always glad you came;
You want to be where you can see,
Our troubles are all the same;
You want to be where everybody knows your name”
However, there are other considerations to take into factor. The Seti@home forum alone was a crowded forum to begin with (not over crowded but had a large group of people). By this I mean there was fair amount of post to read daily. Adding the other projects, it added even more posts than before. I believe that some people find the extra number of threads generated by the new BOINC projects to be over whelming; and as such they feel the need for those projects to have a home of their own. But because there are already dedicated forums to the other causes, some feel there is no need to create two forums for the same cause. Such as crunching for a cure for cancer; some feel one forum is enough. But that goes back to wanting to post threads where their favorite people post threads. |
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never mind |
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Camelot One
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Well, I think we are getting off topic, but just so its out there....
The forums are run differently. It is not a member issue, and I'm not suggesting Helix is run in a bad way. Just differently. For me the forum is home, and it needs to be a place I am comfortable. I am comfortable in StarFire and Boinc, I am not in Helix.
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Just for my edification, is your discomfort due to the way you perceive the forum runs or do a couple members of that forum make you uncomfortable? If it is a latter, would the ignore feature solve that?
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Camelot One
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I think you are moving in the right direction. |
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said by Camelot One :I would have to strongly disagree with your idea, only because in my mind you have it backwards. (and I think several others would agree) I would be fine running Rosetta under the name Helix, if it could be discussed either in the StarFire or Boinc forums. Not saying one is right or one is wrong, but the Helix forum has a very different feel than what I am used to, and what I prefer. My objection to the way things have gone down is only that we can't discuss the project in the forum(s) we are comfortable in. I have brought this idea to our DCS rep, waiting for a reply.
I'm not bothered which way round it occurs, I just want to see all the bitching and infighting stop.
Either way is good, all I care about is taking the focus away from the current situation and let us carry on crunching and having fun.
I just stated what I thought could be one solution.
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I would have to strongly disagree with your idea, only because in my mind you have it backwards. (and I think several others would agree)
I would be fine running Rosetta under the name Helix, if it could be discussed either in the StarFire or Boinc forums. Not saying one is right or one is wrong, but the Helix forum has a very different feel than what I am used to, and what I prefer. My objection to the way things have gone down is only that we can't discuss the project in the forum(s) we are comfortable in.
I have brought this idea to our DCS rep, waiting for a reply.
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said by jons :Thank you, Mark - and that was really my point. Right now, I don't care much about the reasons people have for not wanting to crunch under the Team Helix banner. What I do care about is just as you said: crunching under a BBR-sanctioned project, and making sure the science gets done. I appreciate the fact that strong feelings exist, but if those are truly the priorities, then both are currently happening. They just happen to be taking place under the name Team Helix rather than Team Starfire. I really don't believe that anyone is being forced to crunch elsewhere. It is not my intention to belittle the pride of anyone involved, or to attack personally. Obviously there is some strong anger over things that have been said or done. But I also believe that, in the end, we all have pretty much the same goals here. In all that's been said, it seems to me that the DC community at DSLR/BBR is strong indeed. If we're willing to work together, we can accomplish some amazing things. Jon
Well said...
One question though, not that I want to draw things out further, but what of those people who do feel marginalised and aren't crunching things under the BBR banner due to them not wanting to join one of the other teams?
The science is mainly being done under the BBR banner, but I know there others who would be likely to jump on-board if they could crunch under any name but Helix/Discovery/Starfire.*
If a simple compromise can be found to even say let them have their own team, under it's own name, but say point the url on that teams project page to the 'official' teams forum, and ask them to keep all discussion of the project in the 'official' teams forum, where would be the harm in that? It gives both sides something IMO, it gives the people who currently feel marginalised a choice, and it gives the official team recognition, and further promotion from the referring url by people who otherwise have been crunching off site.
This isn't something I'm asking for just for Team Starfire either, the same would be applicable to all teams who wanted to do the same, that way an even playing field is provided.
*Delete team name as appropriate.
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said by MarkH :At this stage when things have gone so far, do reasons really matter... Don't take that the wrong way, I just mean does the who, where, when, what and why really matter now? There are obviously strong feelings by various people on the subject of who they crunch for, what harm is there in letting them crunch under whatever team name they want at BBR, as long as the project has been sanctioned by BBR and no attempt is made to pull people away from the projects 'official' team? Ultimately what should matter is that the science gets done, and hopefully gets done under the BBR banner, rather than forcing those people, who for whatever reason do not wish to be members of Discovery, Helix or even Starfire to go crunch elsewhere. Thank you, Mark - and that was really my point. Right now, I don't care much about the reasons people have for not wanting to crunch under the Team Helix banner. What I do care about is just as you said: crunching under a BBR-sanctioned project, and making sure the science gets done.
I appreciate the fact that strong feelings exist, but if those are truly the priorities, then both are currently happening. They just happen to be taking place under the name Team Helix rather than Team Starfire. I really don't believe that anyone is being forced to crunch elsewhere.
It is not my intention to belittle the pride of anyone involved, or to attack personally. Obviously there is some strong anger over things that have been said or done. But I also believe that, in the end, we all have pretty much the same goals here. In all that's been said, it seems to me that the DC community at DSLR/BBR is strong indeed. If we're willing to work together, we can accomplish some amazing things.
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said by jons :Just for the record here, I am a loyal Starfire member who also crunches Rosetta for Team Helix. And for the life of me, I don't know why certain Starfire members feel such animosity towards the Helix folks! If there's a legitimate reason, I'd probably like to know it, but I've felt nothing but a warm welcome from TH. I was a part of the "unofficial" Rosetta team when there were fewer than 20 people on it, and I was happy to see it become official. Now everyone seems to be saying they want to crunch for a DSLR/BBR-based Rosetta team. Um, guess what? There is one! I don't know anything of what goes on in DCS, but I remember the call for DSLR adoption of an official Rosetta team. I remember the discussion and hope that it be picked up by "one of the medical-based teams." It was! What's the big deal? Now I crunch Seti for Starfire and Rosetta for Helix. I even get 2 little twirly things by my name! 
At this stage when things have gone so far, do reasons really matter...
Don't take that the wrong way, I just mean does the who, where, when, what and why really matter now?
There are obviously strong feelings by various people on the subject of who they crunch for, what harm is there in letting them crunch under whatever team name they want at BBR, as long as the project has been sanctioned by BBR and no attempt is made to pull people away from the projects 'official' team?
Ultimately what should matter is that the science gets done, and hopefully gets done under the BBR banner, rather than forcing those people, who for whatever reason do not wish to be members of Discovery, Helix or even Starfire to go crunch elsewhere.
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Just for the record here, I am a loyal Starfire member who also crunches Rosetta for Team Helix. And for the life of me, I don't know why certain Starfire members feel such animosity towards the Helix folks! If there's a legitimate reason, I'd probably like to know it, but I've felt nothing but a warm welcome from TH. I was a part of the "unofficial" Rosetta team when there were fewer than 20 people on it, and I was happy to see it become official. Now everyone seems to be saying they want to crunch for a DSLR/BBR-based Rosetta team. Um, guess what? There is one!
I don't know anything of what goes on in DCS, but I remember the call for DSLR adoption of an official Rosetta team. I remember the discussion and hope that it be picked up by "one of the medical-based teams." It was! What's the big deal? Now I crunch Seti for Starfire and Rosetta for Helix. I even get 2 little twirly things by my name! |
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