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Re: The Biggest Problem With My Job
said by 72245156  :Actually Justin, I agree with what you just posted 100%. I'm not taking the team anywhere. DCS is supposed to work to a common good. It's also supposed to work for the members it represents and it doesn't. Rather than beat our heads against the brick walls we left. It was hurting too much. You appointed an extra management rep to try to help us work some things out and it got nowhere which was really disappointing. We aren't taking a ball ang going home. That is a misconception. So, let's work to fix thngs. You may not be taking the team anywhere but I'm kicking it off to your site unless you guys figure stuff out and stop with the "we left" from DCS stuff. You don't have that option. Leaving DCS (or whatever the joint decision making mechanism is) means leaving the site.
Pretend the DCS is the UN security council. If you don't like something you can keep the discussion going, interminably if you must, but meanwhile you don't go putting troops on the border, or annexing another country. You certainly don't storm out and resign the chair.
If a team here wants to remain here, instead of withering offsite with no links, then it has to act like it is here. And by the way, this means no replacement offsite forums or invitations for disgruntled members to sign up there to chat out of the loop. And it means no team creation/renaming/destruction decisions not sanctioned.
As far as I can see, you've got some stuff to fix up, remove, replace, reverse. |
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Xaak
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1 edit | said by justin :Pretend the DCS is the UN security council. The UN security council, as well as the entire UN is broken too, and completely ineffective. Interesting you'd choose that as an analogy for the DCS.
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I promised that I'd refrain from additional posting until things cleared up a bit, but I would like to make my voice heard on this as a lot more has happened.
For the record, I agree 100% with what Justin has said in this thread. This doesn't mean that I disagree completely with everything that others want to accomplish, or feel they cannot accomplish, or whatever. It means that if I find him completely reasonable, then it is guaranteed that others of Team Starfire do as well. All that that means is that we have one heck of a lot of problems to fix before anything gets better.
It seems pretty clear that if Team Starfire wants to remain, in it's current form, then we must have DCS representation, and we must be willing to compromise. Is that not clear? If there are a few people hell-bent on fighting this to the death, then please, please, please remove yourselves from Team Starfire and go play elsewhere. |
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Vericima
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said by justin :Pretend the DCS is the UN security council. The UN security council isn't secret, either is Congress, or Supreme Court hearings. They shouldn't be. We cannot be represented by people who can't talk about what issues are going on in the DCS forum because there is no way for our representatives to know how the majority feels about issues at hand.
Another issue with DCS being secret is, we as team members don't know how our reps are doing. They could be total asshats in there, but other reps can't even tell us about it. A bunch of old dead guys wearing white wigs once said for us all to not trust our government, always question what they are doing at every turn, make them accountable for the decisions they make. Meanwhile, in present day dslr, we have our DCS government telling us "Trust us, I know what we're doing is secret, but it's for the good of the team, I promise." That just feels wrong.
I have said this every time there has been a blow up, and others have too, but so far you haven't listened or just don't care.
This is not meant to be a personal attack, I don't do that. If I hurt anyone's feelings, I'm sorry. Something needs to change. Making DCS available for public viewing is the only way I can see to make these things stop, and they need to stop.
The way I see it, most of the infighting and name calling is because people can't talk about what is actually going on. Then the personal attacks and speculation begin.
I am disappointed at how these situations have been handled, or not handled, as the case may be. What really saddens me, is that most of you are older than I and should be able to handle yourselves better than this. Please fix DCS, it's the only way to stop the madness. |
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BBR_InsUW
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| Vericima, you are correct in many ways, but there was nothing stopping the Reps for coming to the team and reporting on whats going on, nor for them to solicit info from the team.
Now that just means that the Old reps just did what they wanted.
I posted that the new team rep will be expected to report to the team on a regular basis on whats going on
It could be as simple as this:
DCS update 07-31-06
Not much going on a new project was reviewed and sent to management.
Continued discussions on Name change issues, still open
that would all be fine to have been shared but it wasnt, and that includes me as I wasnt very active till recently.
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Vericima
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Manchester, CT | It seems to me you are only active when there's trouble, why is that? Again, not a flame, just a question. |
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BBR_InsUW
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| Actually I retired from Crunching and transferred all my Work to the Team.
I wasnt even involved here till I was asked to come back as a MOD.
I am more visable when there is trouble because I am a MOD.
I would prefer to be invisable but that isnt how things worked out.
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HFB1217
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I believe you have joined the other team as well as the issues being put forth by you were resolved for you by moving to the other team so please don't start another situation or problem.
It does not affect or concern you any more.
We are trying to get over the split and reorganize as well as heal.
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Vericima
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1 edit | I am not trying to start trouble for anyone. The only reason Im still posting is because I didnt want to leave but the problems going on here make it impossible to stay. If it gets fixed, I'll be happy to come back. Maybe some people should stop this crap and work on the issues instead of continuing with the bickering. Yes I left because I could no longer be here. I am trying to help fix it so I could feel like I can come back. In order to heal we need to still talk about it. Nothing gets resolved by acting like it didn't happen. Maybe I was rash in leaving so soon. I think I will probably just leave that team and crunch on my own for now. This petty bickering about who left what for where is stupid. You all need a time out, like freeking children. Excuse me for trying, I'm out.
Edit: WTF happened to the leave team button? |
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