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ykronic
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Canada | Re: never pay full price for high speed again!!! This has been posted over and over and over again to death. I'm not even going to bother to voice my opinion on the subject. All I'll say is this topic's been done to death, mods, do we need it started again? | |
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fonzbear2000
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| Re: never pay full price for high speed again!!! said by ykronic  :This has been posted over and over and over again to death. I'm not even going to bother to voice my opinion on the subject. All I'll say is this topic's been done to death, mods, do we need it started again? i've never seen it done-it's also nice to repost once in a while so new people to this site can see it
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| said by ykronic :This has been posted over and over and over again to death. I'm not even going to bother to voice my opinion on the subject. All I'll say is this topic's been done to death, mods, do we need it started again? Then why did you?
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Wayne99021
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Mead, WA | Personally I think that is way too much trouble and takes too much time juggling back and forth just to save a few bucks.
If a person is hurting that much for cash, they should go back to dialup. | |
| | Daddio1949
join:2000-12-13
Rockville, MD
| Re: never pay full price for high speed again!!! These promotions entail more than just a few bucks, rather in the hundreds of bucks. I know I am completing these promotions. Perhaps, the best place to gain information is at fatwallet, '»www.fatwallet.com/forums/message···=comcast' | |
| rhfilipino
join:2006-06-20
San Diego, CA
| while it is nice to save money, even if you're not hurting for cash, the particular company behind broadbandoffers.com is horrible at fulfilling their rebates. they've already had their BBB membership revoked. caveat emptor.
personally i'd sign up through Dell to get a similar deal. at least Dell is somewhat more trustworthy...
on a side note, i keep seeing a lot of people crapping on "deal" posts, because it's somehow wrong to save money. honestly, i don't get it: wouldn't you like to save a bit of money on a service you pay for monthly? personally, while i can afford comcast's rates, i'd rather like to see comcast (and other broadband providers) bring their rates in line with offerings in other countries, where internet is fast and cheap. | |
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JoeG4
join:2001-12-16
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·AT&T DSL Service
 ·Comcast
 ·Clearwire Wireless
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| No matter what, I get stuck paying $50-60 a month in the end, so unless it decides to skyrocket past that, I don't bother.
SBC with 3mbps service cost me $54 a month
SBC with 1.5mbps service (originally) cost me $56 per month (IIRC)
comcast with "6mbps" service (more like 2.4mbps) costs me $60 a month
In the end, I stopped bothering with Ma Bell because the 1 year contracts got on my nerves (if they don't want to lose me as a customer they should focus on treating me like a customer, not like a criminal that's going to walk off after 6 months with a free modem).
Actually, I'm kinda fed up with SBC and their contract menalitty! WTF man it's 2006 not 1999, it doesn't cost $200 to bring up a DSL circuit anymore, and I have more than 1 DSL modem laying aronud that still works fine, I'm sure a bunch of other people do too by now, so why is SBC still acting as if nobody's ever gotten a modem and giving you the privilege to have one if you commit to a year?
That and their new privacy policy stinks, I'd rather pay for my overpriced 2.4mbps service  | |
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Morty
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join:2004-09-18
| Re: never pay full price for high speed again!!! It's simple fraud, that's all it is.
fraud (frôd)
n.
1. A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.
2. A piece of trickery; a trick.
3.
1. One that defrauds; a cheat.
2. One who assumes a false pose; an impostor. | |
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Rick
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| Re: never pay full price for high speed again!!! said by Morty :It's simple fraud, that's all it is. fraud (frôd) n. 1. A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain. 2. A piece of trickery; a trick. 3. 1. One that defrauds; a cheat. 2. One who assumes a false pose; an impostor. It's not fraud to follow the rules. Most if not all of these promotional offers have conditions attached to them and, providing someone follows them, why not do this if they're so inclined to?
Someone subscribing to a comcast deal through the likes of broadband offers can pay 19.99 for 6 months..get a free modem plus 100.00 cash back.
That equates to over 330.00 in savings and/or a free product offer.
That's a lot of money and undoubtedly worth peoples time to pursue.
I signed up for the adelphia equivalent offer when I got adelphia and while it wasn't for that much savings, it was still well worth it.
And, for what it's worth, I had no problems with broadbandoffers.com at all and received my rebates within the specified times.
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join:2000-12-13
Rockville, MD
| I signed up for their promotions, ordered high speed internet, and submitted for the rebates.
I don't think taking advantage of these promotions is fraud. Those who took advantage of the promotion do subscribe to high speed internet, and the individual promotions do not prohibit the multiple rebate-dipping. There is no deception or trickery involved. Consequently, no fraud is involved.
Is it fraud when a company misprices a product and you purchase it? You did not trick the company in this case when the seller does not monitor its price. If an ISP fails to monitor its rebate promotions, then it is not my fault.
fraud (frôd)
n.
1. A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.
2. A piece of trickery; a trick.
3.
1. One that defrauds; a cheat.
2. One who assumes a false pose; an impostor.
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Morty
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join:2004-09-18
| Re: never pay full price for high speed again!!! said by Daddio1949 :I signed up for their promotions, ordered high speed internet, and submitted for the rebates. I don't think taking advantage of these promotions is fraud. Those who took advantage of the promotion do subscribe to high speed internet, and the individual promotions do not prohibit the multiple rebate-dipping. There is no deception or trickery involved. Consequently, no fraud is involved. Is it fraud when a company misprices a product and you purchase it? You did not trick the company in this case when the seller does not monitor its price. If an ISP fails to monitor its rebate promotions, then it is not my fault. fraud (frôd)
n.
1. A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.
2. A piece of trickery; a trick.
3.
1. One that defrauds; a cheat.
2. One who assumes a false pose; an impostor.
The idea behind the promotion is for New Subscribers only. It is understandable if you are switching service providers perhaps once, due to a problem with a previous service from another company (right, it's a free market). However, if you are obtaining a promotion that is designed for New Customers only (people who have not have Comcast within at least the past 24 months) or you are purposely switching back and forth between companies for the sole purpose to obtain promotions -- is fraud, or in the very least, by accepting a promotion that is listed for new comcast subscribers only is conspiracy to commit fraud.
Is it jail time or legal actions? No.
Is it wrong, yes.
Does it affect the price of service offered to existing customers? Yes.
This all falls under the first definition "A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.". By canceling your service with the intention of restarting your service 6 months later is deception, as you are posing to Comcast as a New Subscriber when restarting your service. Clearly (given the intent of this thread -- "Never pay full price for High Speed again!!!") the deception is used to unfairly gain a discounted rate... a rate that would not be offered to you if you stayed with Comcast as an existing customer those 6 months. | |
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join:2000-12-13
Rockville, MD
| Re: never pay full price for high speed again!!! The idea behind the promotion is for New Subscribers only. It is understandable if you are switching service providers perhaps once, due to a problem with a previous service from another company (right, it's a free market). However, if you are obtaining a promotion that is designed for New Customers only (people who have not have Comcast within at least the past 24 months) or you are purposely switching back and forth between companies for the sole purpose to obtain promotions -- is fraud, or in the very least, by accepting a promotion that is listed for new comcast subscribers only is conspiracy to commit fraud.
Is it jail time or legal actions? No.
Is it wrong, yes.
Does it affect the price of service offered to existing customers? Yes.
This all falls under the first definition "A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.". By canceling your service with the intention of restarting your service 6 months later is deception, as you are posing to Comcast as a New Subscriber when restarting your service. Clearly (given the intent of this thread -- "Never pay full price for High Speed again!!!") the deception is used to unfairly gain a discounted rate... a rate that would not be offered to you if you stayed with Comcast as an existing customer those 6 months.
There is no deception going on here when you switch internet providers. If the internet provider's rules, for example, declares you a new subscriber after 60 or 90 days, and you return to the internet provider after their time limit, there is no deception going. We are playing the game according to the rules of the internet provider.
Please explain
where the deception is?
Where do you get the 24 months criterion from?
Are you making up the rules as you go along?
Do you own stock in Comcast?
Is this wrong? No and hell no. I believe that Comcast declares you a new customer after a couple on months. After those few months are up if Comcast considers me a new customer, then so be it.
Does it affect the price of service offered to existing customers? No. I already answered this question; high speed internet is a cash-cow for Comcast.. They make a profit off new customers and make an even larger profit off existing customers. They are virtually in monopoly position for high speed internet for many. Don't tell me that Comcast and Verizon are fierce competitor's when they only compete on the speed of the internet and not price.
I have browsed the forums here and most people do not switch between dsl and cable for various reasons, e.g. problems in installation and the hassle. Consequently, it is not even worth Comcast's effort to monitor such behavior. | |
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CableTool
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| Re: never pay full price for high speed again!!! said by Daddio1949 :Does it affect the price of service offered to existing customers? No. I already answered this question; high speed internet is a cash-cow for Comcast.. They make a profit off new customers and make an even larger profit off existing customers. Ar you making up the rules as you go along? Can you show where it states that customers leaving a provider for another DOESNT affect prices or that internet is a cash cow and 100% profit as you have stated in the past?
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join:2000-12-13
Rockville, MD
| Re: never pay full price for high speed again!!! Ar you making up the rules as you go along? Can you show where it states that customers leaving a provider for another DOESNT affect prices or that internet is a cash cow and 100% profit as you have stated in the past?
Nor can you show where it states the opposite that customers leaving a provider does affect prices. Just because you say its so, doesn't make it so.
Here is why the promotional offerings do not affect the loyal customers. The cost structure of the cable and telephone companies is largely a sunk cost. They recovered most of their cost through cable TV. When high speed internet came along they were able to piggy-back on their cost for cable TV. Their cost are largely fixed, an increase or decrease in customers are easily handled by their current equipment. Effectively, they are spreading their fixed cost over a greater volume. Their variable cost increase slightly with an additional customer and their revenue increase by even more. Many, if not most, of the increase in customers remain with Comcast and wind up paying more, who serve to increase profit. Have you forgotten that Comcast was granted a monopoly by the county governments. If Comcast sees this as a problem, how come they do have contracts?
It's deception because if you stayed as a Comcast customer, that promotion would not be available to you. So you are leaving with the intent on returning only to gain the discounted rate that would otherwise not be available to you.
Where is the deception. When I rejoined Comcast, they even gave be back my old customer number. They know that I have been a customer several times before. Clearly, Comcast knows that I was customer before. In fact, they welcomed me back. Who have I deceived? I think that you are deceiving yourself here.
Bottom line is that it's not illegal and not against Comcast policy. If they don't want churning then they should do something about it.
So true. | |
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Morty
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| Re: never pay full price for high speed again!!! said by Daddio1949 :Nor can you show where it states the opposite that customers leaving a provider does affect prices. Just because you say its so, doesn't make it so. It's built into the pricing of ANY company. You work in the restaurant business, part of the cost of the meal that is provided to you is the "lost sales" cost. That is, if you order a steak, and it is over cooked, and it is sent back to the kitchen, part of the cost for that steak is included on top the food cost for the steak itself. It is expected that not every steak will be perfect, and that a certain percentage of steaks will be sent back. This is calculated into the cost of the steak when you originally purchased it.
This is no different from any other company, when you purchase your cable you pay XX.XX per month, this cost includes a % of costs for trouble calls, repair/upgrades and to no surprise lost customers on top of the cost to provide the service as is, and on top of a sustained profit!
said by Daddio1949 :Here is why the promotional offerings do not affect the loyal customers. Yes, promotional offers as offered do not affected existing customers. That is to say, if new people are signing up, they are helping to lower the operating costs if they are within the existing footprint. However, if an existing customer is getting a constantly discounted rate, then this does affect the cost, and this is calculated in to the price as explained above.
said by Daddio1949 :Where is the deception. When I rejoined Comcast, they even gave be back my old customer number. They know that I have been a customer several times before. Clearly, Comcast knows that I was customer before. In fact, they welcomed me back. Yes, there is nothing wrong with it, if your intentions are legitimate. If you have legitimate reasons for moving back and forth between providers there is not a problem. If you are however, moving back and forth only as a "new subscriber" to obtain a promotion that would not be available to you as an existing subscriber, that is where the deception comes in to play. Many people don't sign up under the same name. Many people put if under there wife's name, there daughters name etc all to get around the system.
said by Daddio1949 :So true. See the post above, *so wrong*. It's a simple case of ethics, something fewer and fewer people have anymore. | |
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join:2000-12-13
Rockville, MD
| Re: never pay full price for high speed again!!! Yes, there is nothing wrong with it, if your intentions are legitimate. If you have legitimate reasons for moving back and forth between providers there is not a problem. My motives are legitimate, to get the cheapest price possible. Comcast's motives are legitimate too, to make the highest profit possible.
It's built into the pricing of ANY company. You work in the restaurant business, part of the cost of the meal that is provided to you is the "lost sales" cost. That is, if you order a steak, and it is over cooked, and it is sent back to the kitchen, part of the cost for that steak is included on top the food cost for the steak itself. It is expected that not every steak will be perfect, and that a certain percentage of steaks will be sent back. This is calculated into the cost of the steak when you originally purchased it.
I would accept this argument it were true about the cable and telephone industry. The cable and telephone industry are monopolies; they have the ability to set prices. Currently, only two percent of all Americans have more than one cable company to choose from, but those lucky few are paying 10 to 20 percent less than the rest of us who subscribe to cable. That's because the cable industry has evolved as a local monopoly, with little government, consumer or rate protections. As a result, cable companies for the most part have been able to raise rates without the check of competition or any meaningful regulation.
Industry consolidation has also contributed to rising cable rates. Reports from the federal government's investigative arm, the Government Accountability Office (GAO), found in a study of cable prices that as cable companies get larger, and as they cluster and dominate regional areas, prices rise faster. | |
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Morty
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join:2004-09-18
| It's deception because if you stayed as a Comcast customer, that promotion would not be available to you. So you are leaving with the intent on returning only to gain the discounted rate that would otherwise not be available to you.
Also, cable equipment costs a lot. Never mind that when Comcast bought ATT Broadband they took on a lot of debt. People seem to think that Comcast and Verizon have a huge surplus of money. That's because they borrow, the price of HSI helps them pay it back, as it costs a lot of money for them to actually offer it to you.
As for when it comes to the "number of days". Technically it is suppose to be 90Days you are not eligible for ANY promotions from disconnecting (this is what stops people from disconnecting for a week when they go on vacation, and then turning it back on again to get a promotion). However, depending on your area, sometimes there are exceptions. When it comes down to it, service providers will not deny you service. They'd rather have you paying 19$/mo then 0$/mo, but you're still cheating the system, and that's still wrong. | |
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Goober
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join:2000-12-17
Naperville, IL
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| Re: never pay full price for high speed again!!! Bottom line is that it's not illegal and not against Comcast policy. If they don't want churning then they should do something about it.
Maybe they can take my $600 a year they won't get out of the CEO's $18.4M total pay package for 2005 or the $33.5M for 2004. Wait, can you hear that . . . it's the world's tiniest violin playing a sad song for Comcast.
Give me a break with all this feel-sad-for-Comcast crap. | |
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Morty
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1 edit | Re: never pay full price for high speed again!!! I don't think there's any "feel-sad-for-Comcast-crap". What it comes down to is if people did the same thing with other companies, or followed the same logic just with more money, it is illegal. Lots of people seem to think cheating a company of money is justified if it's just Comcast, or if it's just Verizon.
And people who say "Company X should do something about it" I'm sorry, that's just an excuse. Companies don't put strict measures up because not enough people do it, does that mean it is justified to do it? NO.
Under your logic, it's not illegal to speed past the speed limit on a highway if there are no police officers there to enforce it.
And if there is only 1 person on that highway who speeds out of the thousands that travel on it, is it justified for the Police to pay for a Police Officer to watch everyone on that highway if they're speeding (with a cost in the thousands) only to hand the person a ticket for a few hundred at max? No, it's not worth it. Does that mean it is ok for that one person to speed then? NO it isn't.
If a company has to change policies, make adjustments to billing systems, hire more people to stop customers from doing this, that only costs them more money. The point being is most people have ethics and don't do this kind of thing, so there really isn't any justification for a company to spend more money to stop it, but again.... In no way does this justify for what you are doing. And for the loss in revenue from customers who do this... it's easier to just rate hike the price for everyone else. | |
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join:2000-12-13
Rockville, MD
| Re: never pay full price for high speed again!!! If a company has to change policies, make adjustments to billing systems, hire more people to stop customers from doing this, that only costs them more money. The point being is most people have ethics and don't do this kind of thing, so there really isn't any justification for a company to spend more money to stop it, but again.... In no way does this justify for what you are doing. And for the loss in revenue from customers who do this... it's easier to just rate hike the price for everyone else.
This is not ethical issue, its a business issue. Comcast is selling a product. No fraud or deception has occurred. If they allow me to obtain a better price, then its not my fault that I am not paying full price. I suppose that you also feel customers, who haggle for a better price in a car dealership, then cause the price for all other customers to be higher. Are the hagglers deceiving anybody? | |
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Morty
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join:2004-09-18
| Re: never pay full price for high speed again!!! said by Daddio1949 :If a company has to change policies, make adjustments to billing systems, hire more people to stop customers from doing this, that only costs them more money. The point being is most people have ethics and don't do this kind of thing, so there really isn't any justification for a company to spend more money to stop it, but again.... In no way does this justify for what you are doing. And for the loss in revenue from customers who do this... it's easier to just rate hike the price for everyone else.
This is not ethical issue, its a business issue. Comcast is selling a product. No fraud or deception has occurred. If they allow me to obtain a better price, then its not my fault that I am not paying full price. I suppose that you also feel customers, who haggle for a better price in a car dealership, then cause the price for all other customers to be higher. Are the hagglers deceiving anybody? If they have legitimate means to haggle for a lower price then it is valid. IF however, for example, their reason for haggling is "I've never bought a dodge before" -- yet they drove to the dealership in a dodge. Then this would be deceiving, to get a gain that would not be offered to someone who just walked in and asked to buy the car.
Car dealerships are also a bad example, seeing as Dealerships use the "haggle for lower prices" as a selling point, Verizon, Comcast etc clearly do not. Also, it's to no surprise that almost all of the major car companies are in a hole. | |
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join:2000-12-13
Rockville, MD
| Re: never pay full price for high speed again!!! Hey guys lets talk about Comcast business model of making promotions. Why does Comcast's promotion involve rebates and not just provide a large discount? For example, if you sign up through Circuit City, you will receive $50 gift card if you send in the first month's bill. Why doesn't Comcast lower the price to $10/month for 5 months and make the 6th month $20. The customer gets his $50 rebate through a larger discount. Comcast does not have to manage a rebate program, the customer does not have to submit for it. It seems pretty simple to me. Comcast knows, as well as every company that offers rebates, that few customers submit for the rebate. At least I'm upfront about I do; I can't say the same about Comcast. What a sleazy firm you are defending?
How many of us feel that the rebates never come? If the practice of rebating is reasonable practice, then so is fliping one ISP for another. | |
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Goober
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Naperville, IL
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1 edit | said by Morty :I don't think there's any "feel-sad-for-Comcast-crap". What it comes down to is if people did the same thing with other companies, or followed the same logic just with more money, it is illegal. Lots of people seem to think cheating a company of money is justified if it's just Comcast, or if it's just Verizon. And people who say "Company X should do something about it" I'm sorry, that's just an excuse. Companies don't put strict measures up because not enough people do it, does that mean it is justified to do it? NO. Under your logic, it's not illegal to speed past the speed limit on a highway if there are no police officers there to enforce it. And if there is only 1 person on that highway who speeds out of the thousands that travel on it, is it justified for the Police to pay for a Police Officer to watch everyone on that highway if they're speeding (with a cost in the thousands) only to hand the person a ticket for a few hundred at max? No, it's not worth it. Does that mean it is ok for that one person to speed then? NO it isn't. If a company has to change policies, make adjustments to billing systems, hire more people to stop customers from doing this, that only costs them more money. The point being is most people have ethics and don't do this kind of thing, so there really isn't any justification for a company to spend more money to stop it, but again.... In no way does this justify for what you are doing. And for the loss in revenue from customers who do this... it's easier to just rate hike the price for everyone else. Speeding is statutorily illegal. Changing cable providers when you aren't under any kind of contract is what? I can't even say it's unethical, since I'm not sure what ethics you think people violate by doing this.
On a very base level, this is a purely business transaction. Comcast sets forth T&Cs and AUPs that need to be agreed upon before receiving services. There is a contractual agreement between the parties. If I operate in ways that are contrary to the provisions of the contract, then I am in breach and Comcast can terminate the agreement (my services). If I take certain actions outside the contract, which is not covered by any of the provisions, and it's not illegal, then the person writing the contract needs to rewrite the document or change the provisions if he doesn't like that behavior.
This is how business works. | |
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Morty
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join:2004-09-18 | Re: never pay full price for high speed again!!! Right, you over look my point. It's not about switching service providers. It's about getting a promotion that's for New Customers only, when you're really not. That's it. | |
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join:2000-12-13
Rockville, MD
| Re: never pay full price for high speed again!!! Right, you over look my point. It's not about switching service providers. It's about getting a promotion that's for New Customers only, when you're really not. That's it.
You still do not get it. No deception has occurred. I have the freedom in this country to get broadband from any provider available. I never told Comcast that I'm a life time customer. As long as I pay my bills and abide by their rules, I'm a good customer. There is no deception whatsoever.
My comparison about a car delealership is this. I choose to go to a dealer and try to get the lowest price possible. You choose to pay list price. If I get a lower price, it doesn't cost you more if you come in after me. The dealer just makes less money on me than you.
What car I drove there has no bearing on the business dealer of buying a new car? So, your counter argument does not make sense. | |
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Morty
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| Re: never pay full price for high speed again!!! I think I've made my point very clear. YOU seem to be the one not understanding it and seem to think I'm saying "you can't switch providers". What I'm saying I find wrong is people who purposely go back and forth to get promotions, while a normal "loyal" customer pays the full rate is wrong.
It's a matter of opinion, that's why this topic has been argued to death a bunch of times before, and will be in the future I'm sure. However, I think I've explained to the best of my ability my views, and there's many others who agree with it. Just as there's many who agree with yours. But for this topic, I think I'm done.  | |
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Rockville, MD | Re: never pay full price for high speed again!!! I agree. | |
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tc1uscg
join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI
| said by Morty :It's deception because if you stayed as a Comcast customer, that promotion would not be available to you. So you are leaving with the intent on returning only to gain the discounted rate that would otherwise not be available to you. Also, cable equipment costs a lot. Never mind that when Comcast bought ATT Broadband they took on a lot of debt. People seem to think that Comcast and Verizon have a huge surplus of money. That's because they borrow, the price of HSI helps them pay it back, as it costs a lot of money for them to actually offer it to you. As for when it comes to the "number of days". Technically it is suppose to be 90Days you are not eligible for ANY promotions from disconnecting (this is what stops people from disconnecting for a week when they go on vacation, and then turning it back on again to get a promotion). However, depending on your area, sometimes there are exceptions. When it comes down to it, service providers will not deny you service. They'd rather have you paying 19$/mo then 0$/mo, but you're still cheating the system, and that's still wrong. It's also call competition. If they ran their service like cell phone providers (early term fee, etc), not so many would be jumping ship, however, you are locked into the "plan" you choose when you sign up. If I'm paying 60.00 a month for HSI and DC w/DVR, then, I should keep paying that price till I upgrade and/or after my contract is up, move to someone else, which in turn, they may offer me more goodies to keep me onboard. Till they do that, then when my current promotion is up and they change the price, I'll move to a lower cost service. Same applies to buy a car, house, even a TV (you can bargain at a ABC warehouse store for a cheaper price if you are willing to deal.. | |
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St John'S, NL | Re: never pay full price for high speed again!!! If the promotion thing fails to work, escalate to a supervisior or get me(We give free credit all the time!!!!) | |
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join:2000-12-13
Rockville, MD | Far to many people pay the full price and don't switch providers. If they did, perhaps the providers would lower their price to keep their prices. Anyway I enjoyed this deal. | |
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join:2001-05-01
Schaumburg, IL
| I've been doing this for years now. My Comcast 16 months of 6mbit/384kbit @ $26.95 expires in a few weeks. Ordered up ATT Elite for $27.99 for a year. A year from now, either SBC will have a good re-rate price or I'm sure Comcast will have another special.
Nothing wrong with finding the cheapest price for something. Am I committing fraud by refinancing my house at a better rate? Is it fraud to look for a cheaper long distance provider? I think not. | |
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scooby
Premium
join:2001-05-01
Schaumburg, IL
| Re: never pay full price for high speed again!!! said by Johkal :One question: With all the promos switching back and forth, I guess you don't use the ISP mail. You use something else like Gmail; correct? Correct. I've always used my own domain. Lots of cheap places to host a website and email. | |
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Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| said by Johkal :One question: With all the promos switching back and forth, I guess you don't use the ISP mail. You use something else like Gmail; correct? I keep my own domain, now. Easier to control the spam that way. The side benefit is not being tied to an ISP email address.
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| wolfendbd
join:2002-02-04
San Francisco, CA | Most have a fee if you cancel in under one year. That cost usually makes up the difference of your savings.
One can threaten to leave though and sometimes they will give up a few months at a lower price. | |
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scooby
Premium
join:2001-05-01
Schaumburg, IL
| Re: never pay full price for high speed again!!! said by wolfendbd :Most have a fee if you cancel in under one year. That cost usually makes up the difference of your savings. One can threaten to leave though and sometimes they will give up a few months at a lower price. Thats why you dont cancel during the contract period. Comcast has no cancellation fee and its supposedly $99 for AT&T now. After 16 months at $26.95 I don't want to pay the $63 and change they charge for HSI w/ no cable. Local franchise finally realized you could get the $9 basic cable and HSI and come out cheaper then HSI w/ no cable and started tacking on all kinds of lame fees. | |
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MadMANN
Premium
join:2005-08-19 | I have no problem with any of this. It's called job security! | |
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs: | I went to www.broadbandoffers.com and had to open my firewall to use the site. After entering my zip code it offered me a a 19.95 a month deal for Comcast. Comcast is not available in my area. Dumb spy site. | |
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b1gdr3
I Blame Your Mother
join:2001-07-28
Pittsburgh, PA | scams like this are the reason Comcast won't lower rates
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fonzbear2000
Premium
join:2005-08-09
Saint Paul, MN
| Re: never pay full price for high speed again!!! said by b1gdr3 :scams like this are the reason Comcast won't lower rates it doesn't surprise me to see you complaining about things like this b1gdr3-this is not a scam-it's completely legitimate
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| | | Alphaotoko9
join:2006-06-08
Camby, IN
·Comcast
| Re: never pay full price for high speed again!!! said by fonzbear2000 :said by b1gdr3 :scams like this are the reason Comcast won't lower rates it doesn't surprise me to see you complaining about things like this b1gdr3-this is not a scam-it's completely legitimate Dude thats not legitimate at all im almost certin that there has to be a law agenst it. Its playing the system, maby legaly is ok, but moraly i dont think so. | |
| | | | jagged
join:2003-07-01
Boynton Beach, FL
| Re: never pay full price for high speed again!!! said by Alphaotoko9 :said by fonzbear2000 :said by b1gdr3 :scams like this are the reason Comcast won't lower rates it doesn't surprise me to see you complaining about things like this b1gdr3-this is not a scam-it's completely legitimate Dude thats not legitimate at all im almost certin that there has to be a law agenst it. Its playing the system, maby legaly is ok, but moraly i dont think so. Has to be or there is a law?
So then if "maby" legaly is ok doesn't mean it's not just because you think "moraly" it's not
You don't shop at Walmart to get rock bottom, unrealistic prices on products you'd have to otherwise spend normal retail prices on!?! No difference here
Besides Comcast's service is pretty bad in some areas and definitely not deserving of whatever normal market price there is for HSI | |
| | | | Alphaotoko9
join:2006-06-08
Camby, IN
·Comcast
1 edit | No i agree that its people like them that cause LONG LOYAL PAYING customers to pay EVEN MORE.
The price of HSI will never go down if you do this scam
Why? Just because comcast is your isp, or who ever, dosent mean they dont have an isp to pay for the bandwidth they use. The Isp your getting the "great deal" from may not even be makeing a profit, and if they keep working on their services and expanding its going to cost $$$. If thay cant make enough to expand;
1.) fewer serviceable areas.
2.) Higher cost to regular customers.
IDK HOW TRUE THAT MIGHT BE, BUT THATS WHAT I FIGURE. | |
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Fobulous
Premium
join:2002-08-14
Missouri City, TX
clubs:
1 edit | This is a good idea and all but it's just too much trouble for a normal person's to deal with. You can however, save some money by doing this every other year or so.. | |
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs:
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: never pay full price for high speed again!!! said by Fobulous :This is a good idea and all but it's just too much trouble for a normal person's to deal with. You can however, save some money by doing this every other year or so.. Cablevision in New Jersey will not play that game. Cablevision remembers forever if you once had internet from them at a particular address. With Verizon one gets DSL Connect Rate (Down/Up) 3360 KBits/Sec by 864 KBits/Sec for $29.95 with a free modem. One must agree to a one year commitment though. | |
| Alphaotoko9
join:2006-06-08
Camby, IN | Yea, "Hold on lemme send back my modem so i can switch and use your modem! Oh, hold on, let me give you my New "new" phone number" God, that would be a hassle every 6 months. | |
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David
No,there is another.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-05-30
Granite City, IL
clubs:
 ·DIRECTV
·magicjack.com
·AT&T Midwest
| said by CableTool :Fonzbear is the reason they invented the term CHURN. He is also the reason why contracts exist and there are discounts for customers with more then one service. ( or penalty or blackmail fees as other chucklheads have wrongly dubbed them) He is also the reason why last year most promos that boasted big discounts only discounted the 3rd/6th/9th and 12th month of service. Although not really a contract.. an incentive to stay put for a year.. SO HERES TO YOU FONZBEAR!!!  Working the system and causing it to work eveyone else! HATS OFF! Agreed, it just makes it worse for everyone else.
said by MadMANN :I have no problem with any of this. It's called job security! Agreed here too.
said by djrobx : Fonzbear wasn't the one who came up with the ridiculous idea of actively encouraging churn by giving good deals to "new customers" only. There are so many ways providers can fix the "churn" and "re-churn" problem if they actually felt it was a problem. 1) DO NOT allow "new cusotmer" promotions for customers that have already had them. We have database technology, it shouldn't be that hard to identify people "gaming the system" so to speak. 2) How about a better approach. How about ENCOURAGING LOYAL CUSTOMERS TO STAY by offering the same fair pricing to both new and old customers alike! Why are "new customers" so much more important than the existing ones, anyway? I think they are starting to realize #1 and starting to do it now. As far as #2, could not say... not in sales.. Thank god!
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| Daddio1949
join:2000-12-13
Rockville, MD
| Fonzbear does not make it worst for others when he takes advantage of the various promotions. If these promotions were not available, Comcast would continue tp charge you the same price and offer the same level of service. Why would they lower their price or increase cost by increasing the quality of service? They are in the business to make a profit and more profit the better. So, lowering the price for customers because they quit promotions does not make sense.
Comcast makes money from those who take advantage of its promotions. Many, if not most, never submit for their rebates. Many, if not most, never switch ISPs after the promotion is over. Comcast would not be offering these promotions if it was not making a profit. There is assumtion that the regular customers are subsidizing the promotional customers. Rather Comcast just makes less profit on the promotional customers in the hope of making even more profit in the future. The so-called multiple dipping for rebates has been around for years; multiple dipping of Comcast rebates was originally posted in August 2003 (www.fatwallet.com). I betting its not worth the cost of monitoring the rebates for Comcast to do anything about.
So, those of you who feel Fonzbear is the cause of their high Comcast bills should get forget about it. Rather, I believe Fonzbear keeps our bills lower because customers will leave their service if they price too high. | |
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dr_shmass
join:2004-10-15
Joliet, IL | So it's ok for Comcast to try to make the most profit they can...but not for a comsumer to try to get the best price they can for a service? | |
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CableTool
Poorly Representing MYSELF.
Premium
join:2004-11-12
| Re: never pay full price for high speed again!!! I never said anything for or against it. I stated the obvious workarounds companies have put in place that everyone bitches about to try and curb the habit.
Contracts.
Floating promos.
Bundled discounts.
Whatever works for whomever. Who cares. But all consumer actions and habits affect all other consumers. Lets not be naive.
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