Jim Gurd
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join:2000-07-08
Plymouth, MI
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| reply to biggknifeparty
Re: These guys never seem to get it
said by biggknifeparty:
The beauty of Canada, cheap hydroelectric power.
Here electricity is a little under 7 cents (canadian)/kWh... heh that's what? 4.75 cents US
Power is dirt cheap here.
Yes that's true, but your taxes are much higher than ours. GST, PST, VAT, etc. You also pay almost double what we do for gasoline. |
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biggknifeparty
join:2001-03-03
Winnipeg, MB
| reply to richb01803
The beauty of Canada, cheap hydroelectric power.
Here electricity is a little under 7 cents (canadian)/kWh... heh that's what? 4.75 cents US
Power is dirt cheap here. I have 5 additional case fans in my system (overclocked athlon 1ghz) and it still costs me almost nothing to run it 24/7. (I run a web server all the time) |
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Mike
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join:2000-09-17
Pittsburgh, PA
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Where can I pick up one of 'dem Joe SixPacks? |
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bujoojoo
join:2001-01-03
Toney, AL
| reply to djrobx
Re: You're full of it
Try Alabama in the summer 
I'm thankful we didn't have rolling blackouts here, otherwise you would have found my cooked body rotting quietly in my Barcalounger...
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Hayward
K A R - 1 2 0 C
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join:2000-07-13
Key West, FL
| reply to richb01803
Re: These guys never seem to get it
said by richb01803:
By the way, it's kinda pointless to debate this among ourselves, basing arguments on own personal habits: surely at least 95% of DSLR readers are among the 15% of people who don't care about electric bills, at least to the tune of a couple dollars a month. I ask that you think about computer usage at a relative or friend's house the last time you visited them
Actually I do care hence 100% of my home lighting is compact florescent, and water heater is automated. These are important users of energy. I can turn on EVERY light in the house and still only be using under 400 watts. Current monitor is also Energy Star, so does shut down.
Also the computers of average relatives/friends may well stay on more (the old turning off is bad for it myth...and then wonder why Windows comes to a crawl  ) Most of them also still use 400% more expensive to operate incandescent bulbs (which also create a lot more heat, not good in the summer).
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
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| reply to jackknife
Re: You're full of it
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Gasoline is getting cheaper every day. And, electricity is cheap as f**k.
Heh, I can tell you're not from California My electricity bill reached $600 for a 1400 sq foot home, no pool, during the summer.
-- Rob |
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richb01803
Rich
join:2001-02-14
02100
| reply to Hayward
Re: These guys never seem to get it
said by hayward:
You could leave on a PC 24 hrs and probably not use more than 20 cents of electricity as long as the monitor was asleep half that time.
If a PC with monitor consumes 25 watts at idle, then it consumes 1 KWH per 40 hours. A month has 720 hours so at 10 cents a KWH the math works out to $1.80.
Even though the cost is low, human behavior doesn't seem to adjust quickly to that reality. Kids are taught to turn off appliances and lights when they're not using them, and it's hard for most people to un-learn that when it comes to deciding to leave something on all the time.
By the way, it's kinda pointless to debate this among ourselves, basing arguments on own personal habits: surely at least 95% of DSLR readers are among the 15% of people who don't care about electric bills, at least to the tune of a couple dollars a month. I ask that you think about computer usage at a relative or friend's house the last time you visited them.
[text was edited by author 2001-10-24 13:48:09] |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
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| reply to richb01803
You're right that a lot of people don't care about the always on part. But joe sixpacks DO care a lot about speed, and they are willing to pay to speed things up. Joe is extremely impatient.
The lure of not tying up a phoneline (and/or not having to pay for a second line) usually makes the overall investment worthwhile.
-- Rob |
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TACSPEED
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join:2001-04-14
Tacoma, WA | reply to richb01803
I don't know about Joe Sixpack, but the reasons I will be buying broadband in the near future are: 1. Speed 2. It will free-up my phone line. 3. Cost, here its only $26.95 a month for cable access. |
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Hayward
K A R - 1 2 0 C
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join:2000-07-13
Key West, FL
| reply to richb01803
Actually the average PC uses relatively little electricity, as long as you turn off the CRT when not in use... most newer monitors do this automatically these days.
Notebooks use even less.
Now a fully loaded tricked out PC can suck up quite a bit, but not the average one.
You could leave on a PC 24 hrs and probably not use more than 20 cents of electricity as long as the monitor was asleep half that time.
Mine stays on most of the time, but I do shut it down when I go to sleep or at work... partly just because Windows is happier when it is rebooted once a day anyhow.
It nice when you are expecting important EMAIL or someone to get online, to know as soon as it happens... as well as things like Seti and Folding, etc.
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jackknife
join:2001-02-24
Phoenix, AZ
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You're full of it
Maybe you worry about your gasoline and electric bills, but very few others do! Gasoline is getting cheaper every day. And, electricity is cheap as f**k. BTW, I am poorer than average Joe Sixpack!!!
I want always-on, but I also want speed...the faster the better. But, I would settle for broadband that can last longer than a month or two. I had Northpoint for a month before they went under. Now I have had SprintION for almost 2 months and now they are going!
SOMEONE GIMME BROADBAND DAMMIT!!!!!!! |
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richb01803
Rich
join:2001-02-14
02100
| These guys never seem to get it
quote:
Increasingly, in fact, speed now matters less than having an always-on connection to the vast, global database of everything grand and noble...
Ugh. Have they ever gone into an average Joe Sixpack household and seen how people actually use computers and the Internet?
Always-on sells to the 15% of people who can afford to, in essence, ignore their electric and gasoline bills.
The other 85% worries about every light bulb left on in a vacant room. That PC gets turned off every minute it's not in use.
Always-on won't sell Internet connections to the masses. Never will.
The other points made in this article are equally ignorant. |
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