hopetindall
@rogers.com
| [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service Attention News Editors:
Rogers launches fastest Internet modem speed setting for residential market: 18 megabits per second.
TORONTO, Aug. 2 /CNW/ - Rogers Cable Communications today announced plans
to launch an even faster new Rogers Yahoo! Hi-Speed Internet service, which
will offer customers the fastest residential service. Rogers Yahoo! Hi-Speed
Elite will provide a speed of up to 18 megabits per second (Mbps) and will be
made available in Q4, 2006.
"Customers are using the Internet in more and different ways," said Terry
Canning, Vice President and General Manager, Internet Services for Rogers
Cable. Adding "Rogers will always offer customers innovative new services with
a wide range of choices and at a price that is packed with value."
The service will have a monthly fee of $99.95 and will include an
industry leading 100 GB of usage. In addition, customers of this service will
be able to purchase additional bandwidth for a charge of $1.25 per GB.
This new service will be offered in Rogers Cable service areas where the
Rogers Yahoo! Hi-Speed Extreme service is currently available. Customers may
choose to either rent or purchase the modem.
About Rogers Cable:
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Rogers Cable Communications Inc. is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Rogers
Communications Inc. (TSX: RCI; NYSE: RG), a diversified Canadian
communications and media company. Rogers Cable's advanced digital two-way
network passes approximately 3.4 million homes in Ontario, New Brunswick and
Newfoundland, with 66% basic penetration of its homes passed. Rogers Cable
pioneered high-speed Internet access and now 35% of homes passed by its cable
networks are Internet customers while 53% of its basic cable customers
subscribe to Rogers' high-speed Internet service. With 44% digital
penetration, Rogers Cable offers a leading selection of High Definition TV
programming, a complete array of Rogers On Demand services (including Video on
Demand (VOD), Subscription VOD, Personal Video Recorders and Timeshifting
channels), and an extensive line-up of sports and multicultural programming.
Rogers Cable now offers home telephone service (voice-over-cable) to
approximately 90% of its cable territory and, combined with its circuit
switched telephony subscribers, has nearly 550,000 local telephony customers.
Rogers Cable also owns and operates 299 Rogers Video stores.
Additional information on Rogers is available at www.rogers.com.
For further information: Taanta Gupta, (416) 935-4727,
Taanta.Gupta@rci.rogers.com | |
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 | MrFlooD8
join:2003-10-28
Brampton, ON | Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service Cool, but way too expensive for me. Almost double the price of extreme  | |
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join:2005-02-20
Markham, ON | Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service No mention of upstream and notice the sign of things to come. Data charges after 100GB. | |
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GI Suck
I Got Mail Yay
join:2004-01-14
Oshawa, ON
| Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service said by HiVolt  :So let me get this straight. $100/month for 100GB cap, traffic shaping, lame email/webspace, AND they plan to charge for over usage with that flaky web usage tool? Ted's got balls. Must be suffering from cancer if he's doing stuff this stupid!
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Solar1um
Unlimited
Premium
join:2005-01-10
Lévis - QC
| said by HiVolt :So let me get this straight. $100/month for 100GB cap, traffic shaping, lame email/webspace, AND they plan to charge for over usage with that flaky web usage tool? Ted's got balls. Good resume :-( | |
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Leathal
Premium
join:2002-02-09
Toronto, ON
| said by HiVolt :So let me get this straight. $100/month for 100GB cap, traffic shaping, lame email/webspace, AND they plan to charge for over usage with that flaky web usage tool? Ted's got balls. Hey HiVolt,
I'd like you to find me dedicated ADSL with more than 100GB cap, and less than $100 per month. PPPoE doesn't count as it has a lot more over head than cable. Cable is direct, so is dedicated ADSL..
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
| Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service said by Leathal :PPPoE doesn't count as it has a lot more over head than cable. Cable is direct, so is dedicated ADSL.. BZZT, wrong. PPPoE does not cause the overhead on a DSL connection, but rather it is the ATM encapsulation that causes the overhead. This occurs regardless of the type of ADSL being used, be it bridged, PPPoE, whatever. You will always loose 15% of the 'actual' value on the DSLAM sync speed. The same applies to cable, but the formula is a bit different. The difference here is that Bell advertises sync speed, while Rogers, Cogeco, Shaw, etc advertise IP speed. It's not at all a big deal.
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
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Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service Snickerdo ... While strictly speaking the discussion on PPPoE is OT here, you're splitting hairs and even then, to say "BZZT, wrong" is itself, wrong.
PPPoE (strictly PPP and PPPoE encapsulation) introduces an 8 octet overhead all by itself. So, on a small packet (like an ACK packet) of say 40 bytes, the PPPoE overhead is significant all by itself. On a full packet of 1500 octets, the PPPoE overhead is small.
However, there are many encapsulations that must be performed on most ADSL PPPoE connections including MAC, PPPoE, PPP, ATM, etc. that are not included on a pure ethernet connection and are are therefore considered in a generalized way as the PPPoE overhead.
For a detailed description of the layers and overheads on a DSL connection, see this »www.oplnk.net/files/WhitePaper_E···eads.pdf
So, now to return to our regularly scheduled program of discussion of Rogers stuff. | |
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spaterson
Premium
join:2001-09-02
Gloucester, ON | I wonder what the upload speed will be...
Scott | |
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idlewillkill
Go Blue
Premium
join:2005-09-28
North York, ON | I'm guessing this is meant to compete with Bell's Optimax. This does actually look better than Optimax.... | |
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anon06
@rogers.com | upload is going to be 1Mbps apparently. | |
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koolin
join:2005-12-20
Toronto, ON | sooo whats happenning with the current extreme then, they really cant just leave us on 6mbps or can they??? | |
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LaZ3R
Premium
join:2003-01-17
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| LMAO!!! You pay $100, and are STILL STUCK WITH A FREAKING CAP? Wow... And even then charging $1.25 for every GB after 100. I think Ted Rogers needs to officially seek mental help. That has to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.
I'm not even sure there is any other cable provider in North America that costs $100 and comes with a 100GB cap at that kind of speed.
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idlewillkill
Go Blue
Premium
join:2005-09-28
North York, ON
2 edits | Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service Sympatico Optimax 10 includes 50 GB of download and upload capacity/month; $1.25 /additional GB, billed in increments of 1GB. Sympatico Optimax 16 includes 75 GB of download and upload capacity/month; $1.00 /additional GB
Edit: So if you want to take that one step further, 100 gigs a month on Optimax 10 would be $127.50, on Optimax 16 it would be $105. Optimax 16 would work out cheaper going over 120 gigs. This is, of course, assuming the pricing in Quebec holds in Ontario.
Edit again: I mis-read Rogers' overage charge to be $1.50 a gig, when it's actually $1.25 a gig. | |
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| Slapnuts
join:2002-11-14
canada
1 edit | said by LaZ3R :LMAO!!! You pay $100, and are STILL STUCK WITH A FREAKING CAP? Wow... And even then charging $1.25 for every GB after 100. I think Ted Rogers needs to officially seek mental help. That has to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. I'm not even sure there is any other cable provider in North America that costs $100 and comes with a 100GB cap at that kind of speed. Yup there is, Videotron's Extreme plus 20 meg down/ 1 meg up service is capped at 20 gigs down, and 10 gigs up. Now thats a low cap for that kind of speed:) Even sympaticos Optimax service is rumored to be capped at 75 gigs. So even though a cap of 100 gigs is still crappy with that type of speed, its still higher than what the competition is offering unfortunately.
The cost for the videotron service is 20 bucks less at $79.99 a month, but that savings will disappear quickly if you go over the cap:)
Vidéotron's network is among the most powerful, and distance has no impact on speed.
Quotas and Performance Grid Download speed Upload speed Monthly capacity
(Downloading) Monthly capacity
(Uploading)
Extreme High-Speed Internet Plus 20 Mbps 1 Mbps 20 GB* 10 GB* | |
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puzz1ed
join:2005-02-20
Markham, ON
| Apparently, Cogeco raised their top speed to 16Mbps yesterday and was touting it as the fastest. It also has a 100GB limit but is a lot cheaper. Looks like Rogers just wants to top them on paper. Not many people will sign up at $99/month plus overages so they don't actually have to deliver much. | |
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Snickerdo
Premium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON
| Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service said by puzz1ed :Apparently, Cogeco raised their top speed to 16Mbps yesterday and was touting it as the fastest. It also has a 100GB limit but is a lot cheaper. Looks like Rogers just wants to top them on paper. Not many people will sign up at $99/month plus overages so they don't actually have to deliver much. While nowhere official, the smell of 20/2 is the next logical step for Cogeco Pro, while Standard will probably be bumped to 10/1. They've maintained a 'fastest, anywhere' slogan for a while. They won't let Rogers ruin that for them. Also, Cogeco doesn't charge for overage, they just wag their finger if you upload too much.
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GI Suck
I Got Mail Yay
join:2004-01-14
Oshawa, ON | I think people forgot to read the footnote.
After exceeding the 150GB invisible cap, they decrease your speed to Ultra Lite for the remainder of the billing month. | |
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insomx
Premium
join:2003-01-26
Canada
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| Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service said by GI Suck :I think people forgot to read the footnote. After exceeding the 150GB invisible cap, they decrease your speed to Ultra Lite for the remainder of the billing month. Really? Now that's stupid....
WHAT THE HELL IS THE POINT OF A 18MEG SERVICE WITH A 1MB UPLOAD, AND THROTTLED?
Sorry for the caps, but that needs to be screamed as loud as possible. 18mega-bits down, 1 tiny tiny mega-bit up. Plus it is throttled, so WTF is the sense? Whoever pays 100bucks a month for that is on crack (or sells it). | |
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rossco2006
join:2006-07-30
Keswick, ON | It's really funny how they call that cap "Industry Leading".
In other countries in europe connections over 20mbps are common, WITHOUT caps. | |
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| Makaveli998
join:2002-04-23
| Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service This is not even worth it. double the price, 200kbps more upload then extreme service, 3x the download but big deal, who is gonna use that much bandwidth, and if u do that 100GB cap will be met in a matter of days.
I think they should offer a 10mbps/2mbps service for like $59.99 and drop extreme to $39.99 at 8mbps/1mbps
Express to $29.99 at 5mbps/800mbps
And the lower speeds drop there price by 5 dollars a month.
I wish one of those american cable providers would move up to canada, and give rogers some competition this monopoly BS is hurting internet in canada. | |
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Newfie
join:2001-05-08
St John'S, NL
| Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service said by Makaveli998 :I think they should offer a 10mbps/2mbps service for like $59.99 and drop extreme to $39.99 at 8mbps/1mbps Express to $29.99 at 5mbps/800mbps And the lower speeds drop there price by 5 dollars a month. I think that Rogers should give everyone service for free, but we don't always get what we want. They're a business, they're not in it to take a loss, they're in it to make money.
said by Makaveli998 :I wish one of those american cable providers would move up to canada, and give rogers some competition this monopoly BS is hurting internet in canada. Blame the CRTC. | |
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join:2005-01-04
| A little pricey for my blood I think, but still not to shabby.
As for the cap though, I don't see an issue with it really, you must remember that most of the people here complaining are probably bit-torrenting everything under the sun, including stuff that's *cough* not overly legal *cough*, and thus - why should Rogers cater to you?
I'm not saying I don't use bit-torrent, but I've had no issues staying under 100GB (averaging 50-70) and even with that much bandwidth I still get to download a few music albums, some TV shows, etc.
I've found the trick is to limit my seeding to 1.5:1, I'm still helping out everyone else, but not letting it go all night long and eating my bandwidth. I've also trimmed the download to 250K/second max as to not eat my connection for regular web stuff/gaming.
Basically I've found if you take your head out of your ass, it's not really that bad at all. It could be better sure, but it's not hell.
My 0.02
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join:2005-11-25
| Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service said by Daphoid :A little pricey for my blood I think, but still not to shabby. As for the cap though, I don't see an issue with it really, you must remember that most of the people here complaining are probably bit-torrenting everything under the sun, including stuff that's *cough* not overly legal *cough*, and thus - why should Rogers cater to you? I'm not saying I don't use bit-torrent, but I've had no issues staying under 100GB (averaging 50-70) and even with that much bandwidth I still get to download a few music albums, some TV shows, etc. I've found the trick is to limit my seeding to 1.5:1, I'm still helping out everyone else, but not letting it go all night long and eating my bandwidth. I've also trimmed the download to 250K/second max as to not eat my connection for regular web stuff/gaming. Basically I've found if you take your head out of your ass, it's not really that bad at all. It could be better sure, but it's not hell. My 0.02 - D Plase keep the illegal/legal quips out of this, it's no one's business what someone else is downloads.. that's for them and the ISP to worry about
The problem with this package and the cap that comes with it is that only those 'heavy users' would buy this package, who in their right mind would pay $100/month for that kind of speed and only casually use it? Would you buy it just so that you don't have to limit yourself to 250K anymore? Probably not... that's alot of money to spend for someone who would not take full advantage of it
This is a power users package that comes with an average users download cap.
Your simply paying more to get to the same finish line as everyone else, just faster. One would think that the more you pay, the longer you get to play... (Express vs Extreme)
For 2x the price, this should be 150-200gig min cap (or no cap at all) | |
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Bender_2k
join:2003-01-12
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| Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service said by Eldorados :said by Daphoid :This is a power users package that comes with an average users download cap. Your simply paying more to get to the same finish line as everyone else, just faster. One would think that the more you pay, the longer you get to play... (Express vs Extreme) For 2x the price, this should be 150-200gig min cap (or no cap at all) That would be logical thinking and logic+Rogers just don't go together. Anyway, not gonna be hopping on the 18 MB bandwagon (OBVIOUSLY!!!). Did end up paying the extra $5/mo though to stay with the 6 MB speeds, but that's pretty much my limit on price hikes (off to 3Web or Sympatico if Rogers thinks they can get anymore money out of me). | |
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Solearius
@rogers.com
| Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service Hmm, is it just me or did Bell just change the price of Optimax 16? I swear it said "$100/month" like 5 minutes ago.
quote:
Sympatico Optimax 16 Internet service:
16 Mbps download speed/1 Mbps upload speed
Regular price: $80 per month
I definitely might consider that. | |
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yoshisan
join:2006-02-13
Toronto, ON
| Lets see....YAWN! I mean come on people. Nothing is gonna be like it used to be. Its gone and over! The unlimited use of bandwidth is dead. BW is now the future cash cow.
Who'd a thunk you would pay for BOTTLED WATER!
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BayStBoi
@sympatico.ca
| Can you name any area in the US that has multiple cable providers in the same jurisdiction?
Cable by its physical nature is a monopoly, so you'll never get competition in that sense. For that reason, you'd never see any US providers coming up to compete even if they were allowed to as they would have to re-wire their own cable networks throughout neighbourhoods.
The only competition can come in the form that currently exists like 3web, where the local cable company has to offer to resell their services at wholesale prices to a competitior. | |
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idlewillkill
Go Blue
Premium
join:2005-09-28
North York, ON
1 edit | RCN is an overbuilder in the US, I don't know that they're the incumbent cableco anywhere.
»www.rcn.com/ | |
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Thudo
Vaughan, Ontario
join:2002-04-09
| Rogers New 18mbit Account
+ 1mbit Upstream (if thats what it will be)
+ Throttled passed 100-150mb download
= Unadulterated and Absolute BS x 50 !
I have the 6mbit and am beyond happy with $45/month + its 1mbit up.. Wow.. this could turn into lackluster Rogers once more. Thank gawd for 6mbit!!!!!
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short09
join:2006-07-21 | 1gb is a dvd quality movie rip. so those bastards are gonna charge for downloading a movie. this is just another sign of cable companies ripping off consumers | |
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BayStBoi
@sympatico.ca
| The pricing and overage charges appear to be right in line with what the Bell Optimax service is being advertised as, so it's not just cable companies.
As for the charge for a DVD, based on your numbers, you'd be able to download 100 of them at "no charge" based on your monthly service fee. Only over that would you start paying on a "per dvd or per GB" basis.
Some would argue that the more you use / consume, the more you should have to pay. Is that really a rip-off? Also, keep in mind no one is forcing you to move to this tier. Those selecting it would be doing so knowing what the potential charges are up-front. | |
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| drunkgoat
join:2004-04-18 | Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service internet pricing is starting to resemble cell phone plans (not a good thing).
Maybe we will see rogers offering extra GB packages to add onto your monthly plan, sort of like buying extra minuets on your cell phone plan. | |
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hopetindall
@rogers.com
| Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service Sorry -
But I don't think this is out of line.
If you look at what the ADSL resellers are paying per Gig for transit - these rates really aren't that unreasonable.
Would I like it cheaper - absolutely!
Thats why I'm sticking with EXTREME.
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thenay
join:2004-10-05
Brampton, ON | If the cap was 200gb i'd think about it, but at 100gb forget it. I'll stick to my 6mbps connection with the same cap. Sure its 12mbps faster but why put a ferrari on a small track. | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service I can't justify double the price for 3 times the speed. If they'd come in at say $69 for a 15bps tier, then I might consider it.
Like others, Express at 5mbps and Extreme at 6mbps are just too close together. Extreme should be at 9 or so mbps. | |
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Manesh
join:2005-07-29 | Can someone please show me a ISP thats 20mbps with UNLIMTIED access...I know there wont be any out there.... | |
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| rossco2006
join:2006-07-30
Keswick, ON
1 edit | Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service said by Manesh :
Can someone please show me a ISP thats 20mbps with UNLIMTIED access...I know there wont be any out there....
»https://www.bethere.co.uk/
24mmbps/1.3mbps/no cap
In europe there are lots of ISPs over 20mbps with NO cap.
Doubt there's anything in north america that fast though. | |
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| | kareshi7
join:2003-03-17
Markham, ON | Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service "The service will have a monthly fee of $99.95 and will include an industry leading 100 GB of usage."
LEADING is unlimited | |
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anon2222333
@rogers.com | Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service In Rogers eyes "industry" is Bell and Rogers. So going by that then they are industry leading. We of course see things differently. | |
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join:2005-07-29
1 edit | said by rossco2006 :
»»https://www.bethere.co.uk/
24mmbps/1.3mbps/no cap
In europe there are lots of ISPs over 20mbps with NO cap.
As per their TOS...not exactly unlimited...
If it's felt that any Be unlimited or office member's Internet activities are so excessive that other members are detrimentally affected, Be may give the member generating the excessive web traffic a written warning (by email or otherwise). In extreme circumstances, should the levels of activity not immediately decrease after the warning, Be may terminate that member's services. [ | |
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join:2006-07-30
Keswick, ON
| Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service said by Manesh :said by rossco2006 : »»https://www.bethere.co.uk/
24mmbps/1.3mbps/no cap
In europe there are lots of ISPs over 20mbps with NO cap.
As per their TOS...not exactly unlimited... If it's felt that any Be unlimited or office member's Internet activities are so excessive that other members are detrimentally affected, Be may give the member generating the excessive web traffic a written warning (by email or otherwise). In extreme circumstances, should the levels of activity not immediately decrease after the warning, Be may terminate that member's services. [ That was just an example.
I'm sure there are many more in other parts of europe, but I only know names of ISPs in england so that was first to come to mind. 
Anyway I doubt they would complain about 100gb of usage they woudld allow way more than that! | |
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Anon5757
@rogers.com
| Well, I don't care about upload because I do not torrent. The extra speed in downloading would be very nice, but the 100 GB cap is not. Does anyone know if they will cap the excess capacity amount at say, $40, so that your maximum bill will be $140? If that happens, I'm sold. | |
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illpay140
@sympatico.ca | Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service if you dont torrent how would you kill a 100g cap ? irc ? | |
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anon38944
@rogers.com | Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service "if you dont torrent how would you kill a 100g cap ? irc ?"
Simple answer. Newsgroups. | |
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