saltydogbran
join:2005-07-12
Waterloo, ON
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
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Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service
said by Hyper6  :This is life there shouldnt be a cap inthe first place. Hyper, that's actually business. Rogers, as a company, found a way to increase their margins by using technology - ie. caps. That's capitalism, and like it or not, it makes perfect sense.
However, it still sucks for you and me on dslreports, who use way more bandwidth than that. But, also in capitalism, you can have competitors who offer the same service only different or unique in some way, thus capturing part of the market as well - ie. 'unlimited' providers.
Now, if only the industry was a little less like an oligopoly... |
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BillyGee
Premium
join:2006-05-30
Toronto, ON
| reply to hopetindall
By the way, a post in the Bell forum linked to a recent interview with Kevin Crull, President of Residential Services for Bell Canada. It has some interesting tidbits on what at least Bell perceives as the "heavy user segment", that is so often debated on this forum:
"It used to be that the real heavy users were 2 percent of our subscriber base, but now we would consider heavy users to be 30-35 percent of our subscriber base."
I guess we can drop the 5% or less crap for Rogers as well. I severely doubt their user base would be much different.
FYI, »www.telecommagazine.com/newsglob···=AR_2294 |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| reply to sbrook
Going back to Rogers reasons for increases etc and why they need to be competetive with other Cable operators across Canada ...
Go look at Dominion Bond Rating Servics and do a search on Rogers. There are a few articles that do not require registration.
Note that they have paid off a lot of their debt, so now their ratings are improving from Junk. BUT DBRS is still concerned about Rogers Cable and its revenues.
Note that DBRS uses other like corporations to help in making business comparisons and setting debt ratings. So, if Rogers prices are competetively out of line, then it impacts the ratings.
Similarly for investors ... if you look at the glossy Rogers sends out (and the press releases) they all sound good, but the reality is that you really have to look at the audit sheets to know how the divisions are performing individually. If a company outprices similar companies across the land, investors will wonder what the company is up to that makes them differ. These are things that add questions to stock values. |
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Stymer
join:2006-01-18
Komoka, ON
| reply to hopetindall
Well searching around for something else, I came across this page.... »www.angustel.ca/update/up540.html
but in short this is what It reads.. Dated August 4-2006
ROGERS PROFITS CLIMB: Rogers Communications had second quarter operating revenues of $2.24 billion, an increase of 29% over a year ago, or 15% if the effects of the Call-Net purchase are disregarded. Net income was $277.5 million, compared to $14.9 million the previous quarter and $19.2 million in the second quarter of last year.
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Subscriber net activations: cable connections: +38,900; cable phone: +68,000; Internet: +21,600; wireless: +130,000.
also there are links 2 the topic on other ISP's internet speed increases, which was Bell and Videotron. But their top speed Videotron, are priced lower then Rogers, and Videotrons Extreme Plus 20/1(79.99)and Extreme 10/900(64.95) are both Unlimited Upload/download.
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clementlo
join:2005-06-11
1 edit | Got a lot of talks that Extreme is going to be 10 Mbps, is this fact or just "wishful thinking"?
By the way, I know many Wireless Router out there (well at less my Linksys) had a 10 Mbps WAN port. So to get this is 18 Mbps servers we need to change our router? Is there any router out there had a 100 Mbps WAN port? |
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idlewillkill
Go Blue
Premium
join:2005-09-28
North York, ON
1 edit | reply to hopetindall
Part of the terms and conditions of Videotron's Extreme Tier
"Unlimited connection time. Additional charges will be billed for monthly use of bandwidth in excess of 10 GB upload or 20 GB download"
»www.videotron.com/services/en/in···plus.jsp
Edit: Make that he Extreme Plus tier, though I can't see the Extreme tier having a greater allowance. |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Yeah, note the wireless activations ... that's where Rogers profits have been coming from. So eliminate call-net and wireless, and that leaves cable and internet and cable phone not doing so well |
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Dustyn
Premium
join:2003-02-26
Ontario, CAN
2 edits | reply to clementlo
said by clementlo :Got a lot of talks that Extreme is going to be 10 Mbps, is this fact or just "wishful thinking"? By the way, I know many Wireless Router out there (well at less my Linksys) had a 10 Mbps WAN port. So to get this is 18 Mbps servers we need to change our router? Is there any router out there had a 100 Mbps WAN port? I hope for my sake and for everyone elses that what you have heard about the Extreme plan come true.
»Shaw Confirms 10Mbps Extreme-I
Most if not all routers now have 10/100 Mbps WAN ports.
You'd be hard pressed to find a new router that ONLY offers a 10Mbps WAN port.
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travisc
join:2001-11-09
Port Perry, ON
| reply to sbrook
said by sbrook :Yeah, note the wireless activations ... that's where Rogers profits have been coming from. So eliminate call-net and wireless, and that leaves cable and internet and cable phone not doing so well 68,000 cable phone adds isn't good? 38,900 cable adds when they usually lose isn't good? By what standard are you saying "not doing so well"? |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| The issue is the revenues and profits, not the number of additional subscribers. Wireless has a huge number of activations in an area that's making lots of money. They aren't making much in giveaways either to get those subscribers. For Cable and Cable phones, they're giving away some costs to get those subs. The pudding is not yet cooked. |
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BayStBoi
@sympatico.ca
| As an example, in 2005, the "Cable" division ended up losing $76.4 million (mainly due to interest on long term debt -- before interest, it made $193 million profit) and the "Telecom" division lost $45.8 million. It's the wireless division that offsets these losses and makes the real money for the company ($418 million profit). |
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GI Suck
I Got Mail Yay
join:2004-01-14
Oshawa, ON
| reply to sbrook
said by sbrook :The issue is the revenues and profits, not the number of additional subscribers. Wireless has a huge number of activations in an area that's making lots of money. They aren't making much in giveaways either to get those subscribers. For Cable and Cable phones, they're giving away some costs to get those subs. The pudding is not yet cooked. sbrook, I think you also forget that wireless are giveaways in its own rights in terms of new subscribers. They are giving away free phones to people (once you commit to a contract, but still free in any sense.) If its not free, then its heavily discounted.
I don't see the difference in your logic. Like you said, the pudding is not yet cooked.
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | Point taken. That said, it's clear that they make a LOT more money on wireless than on cable based services. Look at the cost of cell phone LD, look at the system access fees etc! |
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travisc
join:2001-11-09
Port Perry, ON | Yes, that's very true. They're really a wireless company with cable and media assets, not the other way around. That being said, their cable division continues to show improving results. |
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GI Suck
I Got Mail Yay
join:2004-01-14
Oshawa, ON | reply to hopetindall
Man, I love it when things run full circle!
»Should Cable Just Run Fiber to the Home?
Who said that earlier in this post? That's right, me! :P |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
1 edit | If cable co's offer fibre to the home and telcos offer fibre to the home, and the telcos offer video and cable offers phone, what's the difference between them? As soon as they both lay fibre then convergence will happen and the telcos will swallow cable or cable will swallow telco and for those complaining about lack of competition now ... well, there won't be any competition then! |
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Anon5586
@rogers.com | reply to hopetindall
So when can I order the 18 Mb service? Anyone know when it will be available?
Thanks.. |
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darrylr
join:2003-02-10
Nepean, ON | Well from post #1 in this thread (and the press release)...
"... and will be made available in Q4, 2006."
I doubt anyone can tell you more than that.
-Darryl |
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Angelo_
The Network Guy
Premium
join:2002-06-18 | reply to GI Suck
one problem rogers can't aford to run fibre... if they run fibre we will be paying 200+ lol |
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GI Suck
I Got Mail Yay
join:2004-01-14
Oshawa, ON
1 edit | reply to hopetindall
It would be a smart move on Rogers part.
Fiber offers a TON more bandwidth than coax can ever do. Not to mention, how many times are you going to put down money for upgrades to make technology current for the bandwidth required when you can have something laid down and only use a small percent of it today.
Since this is an internet forum, here is an example:
You pay to get proprietary internet laid
You pay to get DOCSIS 1.1
You will soon be paying to get DOCSIS 2
There are plans to get DOCSIS 3
etc.
see the picture?
How much money are you going to invest for technology that might only last you 5-10 years? Is 5-10 years giving you enough value that it pays off the upgrade and then you earn from it too?
Get something laid that will last you into the future.
FIBER! It keeps you regular too! 
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