BillyGee
Premium
join:2006-05-30
Toronto, ON
2 edits | reply to hopetindall
Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service
Unless I'm mistaken, this is a much worse deal than Optimax, even at Quebec pricing. If I recall correctly, Bell had announced a cap on overage charges, just like they had with Sympatico in Ontario a couple of years ago. Was it $20 max? I can't remember right off the bat.
So in other words, 200GB download would still cost you $100 on Optimax, but would be impossible to achieve on Rogers, seeing as after you've reached 150GB (and paid $162.50 for that privilege), you're dropped to Ultra Lite speeds, which has a theoretical max of about 40GB for the month.
Way to go Teddy. I guess he noticed no one cares about the Jays now that they're losing again, gotta make up the attendance loss in some way. |
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BayStBoi
@rogers.com
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Where has there been ANY word about throttling back of speed after 150GB? Other than one individual's sarcastic comment that this is probably in the footnotes, there is no mention of this in the official press release, and there is nothing to this effect on the Rogers website. |
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GI Suck
I Got Mail Yay
join:2004-01-14
Oshawa, ON
| said by BayStBoi :
Where has there been ANY word about throttling back of speed after 150GB? Other than one individual's sarcastic comment that this is probably in the footnotes, there is no mention of this in the official press release, and there is nothing to this effect on the Rogers website.
There's has to be something hidden in those footnotes. You know Rogers isn't just going to stand by and let things like these slip.
Hell, they said they are already implementing these services to date, you don't think they aren't going to push it to all of their services?
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jackr
join:2004-03-10
Barrie, ON
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·Rogers Hi-Speed
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| reply to hopetindall
I'm curious. I wonder who Rogers is going to target this at. The only people who really want speed, are the people who really use the internet, and we'll never use it at a 100gb cap.. Mom and pop aren't going to bite, as they use the service infrequently to check mail and the weather. It's not a business service. So. Who's got an extra $100 each month to waste on this.
I see the service going nowhere really quickly, unless they change the cap.
Dumb idea. Again. |
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GI Suck
I Got Mail Yay
join:2004-01-14
Oshawa, ON
| Large companies.
I know companies like IBM give out the highest speed possible from Rogers to all of their employees for a significant discount because most of their employees work from home and travel a lot, so its important that they have very fast connections when it comes to their VPN.
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BayStBoi
@sympatico.ca | reply to GI Suck
What rationale would they have to throttle you back after a certain GB limit if they are charging you per GB over 100?
They should be all for you racking up as much as you want at that point. |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | reply to GI Suck
That comment was a sarcastic joke. There was nothing in the footnotes. |
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puzz1ed
join:2005-02-20
Markham, ON | reply to BayStBoi
It may be cheaper to throttle you than to endure the wrath of irate neighbours or foot the bill for an area upgrade. |
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dl0711
join:2004-06-27
London, ON
2 edits | reply to hopetindall
WTF is Rogers thinking????
my reply to this is:
WTF is Rogers thinking???? 100 GB of usage for 18 megabits per second (Mbps)?? I get 100GB of usage for 6 megabits per second (Mbps).. Rogers SHOULD & MUST Up the usage to Match the speed to lets say 400 - 600 GB of usage thereafter $1.25 per GB |
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GI Suck
I Got Mail Yay
join:2004-01-14
Oshawa, ON
| reply to hopetindall
Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service
Even though that comment was a sarcastic joke, I would still think Rogers would still go down that path eventually simply because they can. Its another technology they can exploit to give consumers what they want. Because apparently, not only do we want 100gb cap, but we also want to put under a QoS and less services as well!
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sbrook
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join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
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| reply to dl0711
Re: WTF is Rogers thinking????
It would make a lot of sense if Rogers offered "Additional GB bundles" as a service addition (i.e. prepaid per month ... if you don't use it, you lose it just as you lose any balance of your 100GB now).
So, say 25GB = $25, 50GB = $30, 100GB = $50, 200GB = $80
This way, Rogers KNOWS how much additional bandwidth they need, and can budget for it and buy it cheaper. The reason bandwidth by the GB (ad hoc) is so expensive at 1.25 per GB is that it can't be budgeted and so it may force Rogers into buying more expensive metered bandwidth to cope with the peaks. |
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askywalker
join:2002-06-25
Markham, ON
| reply to hopetindall
Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service
I spend much of my time in Japan and can tell you the little fishing villages and mountain communities have faster bandwidth than this.
I am pleased that Canada is starting to finally make some progress on bandwidth speeds, but agree with others that this trend to have buckets of usage and overage charges is a real shame. There is a SERIOUS lack of involvement and interest from the regulating authorities in Canada, turning a promising broadband market of a decade ago into an broadband backwater.
I will most certainly buy the fastest package available. The difference in money is negligible - the Internet is very important to me, and I will always have the fastest 'simple' connection possible. Rogers is probably targetting users like myself. SOHO users are getting very commonplace - and usually their 'parent office' is paying the bills for their connectivity - so getting a fast connection to their VPN is worth it. Now with VoIP networks also connecting users home offices to their network lines, there is an additional reason to have a faster connection.
Think of all the users that have connections to their offices at home. They will SERIOUSLY benefit from a 3x increase in download speed. Of course, we NEED upload increases as well - and bandwidth caps are annoying, but primarily we need to be able to function remotely as if we were on the LAN at the office - and 18 Mbps is getting closer to that. |
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Wolfie00
My dog is an elitist
Premium
join:2005-03-12
1 edit | reply to sbrook
Re: WTF is Rogers thinking????
said by sbrook  :...This way, Rogers KNOWS how much additional bandwidth they need, and can budget for it and buy it cheaper. The reason bandwidth by the GB (ad hoc) is so expensive at 1.25 per GB is that it can't be budgeted and so it may force Rogers into buying more expensive metered bandwidth to cope with the peaks. Sounds like a good idea (which pretty much guarantees that Rogers won't do it!) 
I suspect the $1.25/GB is as much a disincentive to not use that option as it is an attempt to recoup costs. Too much traffic will still wreak havoc with local cable distribution networks which are not dynamically or incrementally upgradeable.
Look at Giganews as an example of bandwidth charges. They charge US$12.95/mo for 25GB (say about CAD$15, which is $0.60/GB) which also supports their huge Usenet server farm and free uploads. And for US$25/mo, Giganews is able to offer unlimited bandwidth -- and still make a profit. So it does seem to me that $1.25/GB is way, way too much and is basically Ted's way of saying "don't do this". |
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x0marx
join:2006-04-15
Guelph, ON | reply to hopetindall
Re: [Extreme] Hot off the wire: Rogers annouces 18Meg service
I hope 3web will offer it at a cheaper price (and maybe uncapped?), if they do then I'm switching. |
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sythe5
join:2002-01-26
Toronto, ON
| reply to hopetindall
www.bethere.co.uk = 24mbit for 24 pounds a month. or there abouts. my friend has it in London, and regularly does over 200gb/month on it. no problems.
Optimax (the higher package) in Quebec, was, i beleive, $79/month? but I distinctly remember reading that there was a max overage charge of $30. so it was a 16mbps dsl service, unlimited, effectively, for $100, or $110 a month. Which to me, is a done deal. If that pricing holds here in Toronto, and if its made available where I live (high park), then I will be getting that.
Roger's statement about a 18mbps industry leading service is pure lies, and to be quite honest, they should be fined for spinning their lies and bs. But they wont, because this countries industry watchdog is too lazy/incompetent/powerless to do anything.
I would pay $120/month for an 18meg line from Rogers, with at least 250gb of useage. I'd like more upstream, but i dont really use it that much, so 1mbps upstream is fine for me. I typically run between 100 and 150 gb a month. The website bw monitor thing doesnt work for me, in fact I cant even log into the website, it tells me to call a number, which i do, and then the people on the phone tell me that they will call me back... i've tried 3 times... i'm not wasting any more time on that nonsense.
I've never had a letter for Rogers saying i've gone over yet, so maybe my bw counter is broken or something 
The problem with me paying $120/month for a line from Rogers is this: I'm in a very, very small group of internet users.... I download a lot, and i browse a lot. I have no real use for upstream, other than to send files over an IM program, or upload something to one of my webservers.. thats it. no BT or P2P for me.
Yet why offer an 18mbps service? This is where stupid marketing people ruin companies. Rogers are rolling out 18mbps because Bell are rolling out 16mbps, because videotron rolled out 20mbps (is that right? or was it 16mbps?). Cogeco also rolled out 16mbps. It's all a numbers game. In my opinion, they forgot why they are rolling out these services in the first place, because of end user demand... but it's stupid to apply the same cookie-cutter logic to a 18mbps line as to a 6mbps line. and at $1200/year for internet ACCESS (lets not forget that Rogers pretty much dropped everything else), that is a pretty hard sell. People willing to spend that kind of coin on net access each year are going to be savy enough to know that 100gb is not enough. why get an 18meg line if all your going to do is surf? 5meg is more than enough to just surf.
Even in their statement, they said that internet useage is increaseing due changes in the way people are using their net.. music, video, telephone (Even though they throttle vonage packets...).
To sum up:
18 meg line, $100/month with a 100gb cap = useless product, and WILL NOT SELL. right now, you can get 100gb useage for about $50. Increasing your speed to 18meg is simply a profile change in your modem. it doesnt cost them much to do it, and so they are already making $50 more a month off of you before you even start. Then after your 100gb, they sting you for $1.25/month? Thats a scam, pure and simple. Stupid marketing staff that have next to no clue about anything except to lie to the public about their products.
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LaZ3R
Premium
join:2003-01-17
·Rogers Hi-Speed
|  reply to hopetindall
It's stupid to have the ability to download at 2.25MB/s and still have a 100GB Cap. WHY?
HERE'S WHY:
2.25 x 60 (seconds) x 60 (minutes) x 24 (hours) = 194400MB
RIGHT! Makes a lot of sense Mr. Ted Rogers, Make a cap for a speed which can be EASILY exceeded in less than a DAY by DOUBLE THAT CAP! WOOOOOOO!!!
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anon38944
@rogers.com | Who downloads at full tilt non-stop? Not many. So this equation is kind of silly.
I agree 100gigs for that level of service is to low, but unless Bell makes a change on there Optimax service, then Rogers has no reason to change either. |
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x0marx
join:2006-04-15
Guelph, ON | reply to hopetindall
A minimum cap of 150-200GB would sound realistic for speeds beyond 10Mbps. |
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rossco2006
join:2006-07-30
Keswick, ON | reply to anon38944
You could easily do that with newsgroups.
Find a few (well like 10) dvd-rs that you want and put them on the queue then 12 hours later your cap is done and you start being charged. |
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GI Suck
I Got Mail Yay
join:2004-01-14
Oshawa, ON
| reply to hopetindall
I guess no one wants to start the topic on how usable this 18meg service will be.
I'm on an unused 100mbps fiber line, and the best I ever saw was 1.4MB/sec downloading a video from cable pulse news.
The only thing that this will be usable for is p2p apps.
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