inova
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Macnutt, SK | reply to John Galt
Re: My own mini-ISP
That is cool! How did you make that pic John? |
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John Galt
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| said by inova  :That is cool! How did you make that pic John? »www.delorme.com/default.aspx
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sporkme
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Morristown, NJ | reply to McLovin
How about just starting as a co-op with a few of your closer neighbors? Start with cheap gear and carve that T1 cost up between 5-10 people... If you like the "work" of running a tiny ISP, then expand slowly... |
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Sweet Witch
Be the flame, not the moth.
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| said by sporkme :
How about just starting as a co-op with a few of your closer neighbors? Start with cheap gear and carve that T1 cost up between 5-10 people... If you like the "work" of running a tiny ISP, then expand slowly...
Not to mention once it's stable and there's good word of mouth the co-op can add more T1 lines with investors cash. Investors can agree, by neighborhood, if they want wireless or wired and the cost of running the wires.
At $500/mo per T1 line, that's only $50 per 10 people. Done in groups of 12 or 14, there's still some profit for the co-op. Doing it in small groups would also help in management
I think what I would do is put an ad in the local paper stating you're thinking of starting a co-op, some basic thought of the terms and plan a meeting for all those interested. If one person shows up, you've limited your expense to the ad. If most of the town shows up, you can begin a commitee to get to work on doing it legally and so you have no personal financial obligation if it goes wrong.
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Descent
Wrap It Up
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WDC Suburb | reply to McLovin
If you're serious about doing it, skip the T1, get a fractional T3 and start your WISP off right. |
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lutful
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·TekSavvy Solutions..
| I will second the fractional T3 suggestion to go with a 2-hop 5Ghz wireless backhaul from Anchorage.
Google Earth and Delorme shows many customers in relatively flat coastal communities. This is WISP heaven.  |
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milbrath
join:2006-03-27
Dresden, TN
| You people are crazy suggesting a start up get a fractional T3. Here even with a three year contract a fractional T3 starts out about 8,000 per month. Does a start-up really need that, NO! Maybe he can get better rates than we can, maybe not. Look to the local telco/cable operator in a nearby town, and backhaul from there. Or start out with a T1 and wait till you need more. I'm waiting on a quote from Charter for a fiber connection, price is $125 per mb + build out costs. Way cheaper than our T1's or a T3 will ever be in this area. A T1 is a nice place to start, and he should be able to get close to or more than 80 people on it so long as they restrict/monitor usage and get a bandwidth shaper. You'd be supprised how many people a poor old T1 can really handle.
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lutful
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Ottawa, ON | Yes, he could start his mini-WISP with a T1 or even a business-class DSL from Kenai or Anchorage.
We don't even know if anyone offers fractional T3 in Anchorage which also has limited VSAT coverage. |
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McLovin
Chicka chicka yeah
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UPDATE:
I'm highly considering going into partnership with a business out of North Carolina »extremewifi.us/
Someone that knows what he is doing, so I don't get screwed over. Split profits down the middle 50/50. We are going to run a T1, and go wireless.
Serving symmetrical 512K for $39.95/month with a $100 equipment and installation fee.
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53059959
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1 edit | you could setup a few computers to act as proxys for common web content if you have or know someone who has the expertise.
that way you don't consume a lot of bandwidth on your outgoing pipe when ppl do things like checking e-mail and pages like google and news/weather. for that small amount of users the machines don't have to be super powerful.
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oh, and also t3h sux0rz, but you could create a transfer cap. you could make like a download limit of 10gb per month, and charge extra for usage over that. that way you would discourage p2p and bittorent users. I know most power user geeks here @ bbr scowl at the idea of transfer caps, but it sounds like your trying to get internet to average joe's and small businesses. |
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lutful
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You have found a good partner in Skynet Inc .
Good luck!  |
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McLovin
Chicka chicka yeah
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Fairbanks, AK
clubs: | reply to McLovin
I can just use the three PC's I have in the house already, and just use the Proxy software in the background. |
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McLovin
Chicka chicka yeah
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Fairbanks, AK
clubs: | reply to lutful
Yeah, I hope it all works out. |
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McLovin
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said by lutful :Yes, he could start his mini-WISP with a T1 or even a business-class DSL from Kenai or Anchorage. DSL is NOT available in any shape or form. Pair Gain sucks 
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McLovin
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said by 53059959 :oh, and also t3h sux0rz, but you could create a transfer cap. you could make like a download limit of 10gb per month, and charge extra for usage over that. that way you would discourage p2p and bittorent users. I know most power user geeks here @ bbr scowl at the idea of transfer caps, but it sounds like your trying to get internet to average joe's and small businesses. I may place a cap, depending on if it becomes an actual issue.
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John Galt
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| said by McLovin :I may place a cap, depending on if it becomes an actual issue. It will...you can be sure of that.
You might want to consider using a Mirkotik router to prioritize the P2P. This will allow the P2P users to DL when it is slow....and push them to the bottom of the priority list when it is busy.
Your new partner should be aware of this hardware and its functionality...
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lutful
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I will suggest that you plan ahead and work with Kodiak Kenai Fiber Link (KKFL) that will have a landing point right at Kenai.
Alaska to Get New Cable
JULY 17, 2006
PARIS -- Alcatel (Paris: CGEP.PA and NYSE: ALA) today announced that its Maersk Defender cable ship is about to start laying a regional submarine cable network for Kodiak Kenai Cable Company - a subsidiary of the Alaskan Old Harbor Native Corporation - in Seward, Alaska. The turnkey deployment of the new Kodiak Kenai Fiber Link (KKFL) will provide the first fiber optic connections from Anchorage and Seward to communities on the Kenai Peninsula and Kodiak Island, serving the communications requirements of approximately 60,000 citizens as well as for the Alaska Aerospace Development Corporation Launch Complex on Kodiak Island.
Designed to provide an ultimate capacity of about 1 Tbit/s, the KKFL will stretch more than 900 km with landing points in Anchorage, Homer and Kenai, Mill Bay and Narrow Cape. The project completion is scheduled by December 2006.
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McLovin
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clubs: | We are talking about this, and I think for the user capacity that we are going to start with (about 30 users), a bonded T1 will serve us nicely (either 3Mbps or 4.5Mbps, undecided). |
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John Galt
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| said by McLovin :We are talking about this, and I think for the user capacity that we are going to start with (about 30 users), a bonded T1 will serve us nicely (either 3Mbps or 4.5Mbps, undecided). Planning ahead for a transition is very wise.
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McLovin
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clubs: | reply to McLovin
Do you think that a single T1 would handle well for 30 users? Should I step it up to a dual or triple bond T1? |
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