elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | reply to Martinus
Re: My hard drive's fast and big enough for Windows Vista???
Martinus
Vista asumes you have only one HDD with one partaion as most lower end PCs have
Vistas adviser and system test stuff is flawed |
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novaflare
The Dragon Was Here
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join:2002-01-24
Barberton, OH
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said by Kilroy  :said by floydb_1982 :So your saying that 5,400 RPM is just as fast as 7,200 RPM??? It depends on what you're using it for. For short reads and writes that isn't any real difference. Where you'll see the difference is in long reads and writes. After you're booted odds are you won't notice the difference. Most laptop drives are 5,400 RPM. Ive had both in fact still do have both. You can tell the difference any time your computer is making use of the swap file. A large part of windows on my comp for example runs in virt mem aka swap file. But many programs will also make use of the swap even when you have more than enough ram to not use swap file. Then theres the fact that as you can tell many people are in to digital imaging (just need to look at the forum here for digital imaging). 3d art is another place where hd speed will help. DVD encoding ripping cds and mp3 encoding etc.
I suppose if all your doing is web and email chat etc then no you will not notice. But that is only a few % of the population.
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CylonRed
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join:2000-07-06
Bloom County | reply to floydb_1982
»www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/g···ble.mspx - same place as the links already provided... |
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floydb_1982
join:2004-08-25
Kent, WA |  reply to Chizep
So tell me what are the system requirement for Windows Vista??? |
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Chizep
Premium
join:2002-04-07
Concord, NC
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Yes, use the effin' advisor to answer all of your questions!!!
said by Octavean :Vista Premium Ready PC OS install HDDs must be 40GB or larger (15 GB free space) as a minimum requirement. Perhaps you should run the “ Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor Beta “ and perhaps do a little research over at the official Vista Home page. No offence intended but the info is just there for the taking,….no need to ask. |
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signmeuptoo
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Re: SLOW...
floyd, you will find that many, if not most of us, have at least 2 actual hard drives. The reason: One drive serves as the host for the bootup/OSs, the other for files that we want to keep between installs, because you don't have to reformat such a second drive for it to work with a fresh install, at least not until FAT/NTFS is abandoned, that is...
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floydb_1982
join:2004-08-25
Kent, WA
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I use Windows XP SP2. I have the Western Digital hard drive format software that came with my 200 GB HD. But here's the bad part of having Windows XP SP2 format your HD in to a single drive is that if you ever have to install Windows XP again and when you boot up Windows XP right after the install the HD will go from 200 GB to 137 GB and when that happens any data on the HD is gone and lost forever. So that is why I split my HD to 2 100 GB HD's. |
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signmeuptoo
Folding and Crunching Not just Breakfast
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| reply to floydb_1982
Floyd: What service pack did she have of Windows? You need to be fairly current to run at the larger size. Nevertheless, partitioning a hard drive is often a good idea, that way if data on one partition gets borked, the other partitions might still retain integrity.
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floydb_1982
join:2004-08-25
Kent, WA | reply to Jerm
The maximum hard drive space my mother can support is 137 GB. I did not know that until I had installed the 200 GB hard drive. I ended up splitting it in to 2 100 GB hard drives. |
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Octavean
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-31
New York, NY
| reply to asdfdfdf
Re: My hard drive's fast and big enough for Windows Vista???
said by asdfdfdf :
At this point floydb no one should be in the market for upgrades in preparation for vista. It continues to be delayed.
Wait until it is released and then base your decisions on the actual performance levels of the final code. Then you can upgrade as you need to at the best price available at the time.
Basically, I agree with this sentiment. However, if floydb_1982 wishes to run a Vista beta build now it is something of a concern now. |
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asdfdfdf
@xtraport.net
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signmeuptoo
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At this point floydb no one should be in the market for upgrades in preparation for vista. It continues to be delayed.
Wait until it is released and then base your decisions on the actual performance levels of the final code. Then you can upgrade as you need to at the best price available at the time. |
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Jerm
join:2000-04-10
Richland, WA
| reply to floydb_1982
SLOW...
said by floydb_1982 :1) Maxtor DimondMax 16 Formatted capacity: 120 GB Average seek time: ¡Ü12.6 ms Rotational speed: 5,400 RPM 2MB cache buffer I have that exact same Maxtor you list - and its dog slow for speed. Its one of the very first 120GB drives, and performs more like an old 40GB 
Go pick up a perpendicular SATA 320GB for $90 @ newegg and the speed difference will be amazing. |
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Octavean
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-31
New York, NY
| reply to Martinus
Re: My hard drive's fast and big enough for Windows Vista???
said by Martinus :
That's probably based on MS's assumption that you will have your page file and your temp dirs in your system drive - that's the standard setup and few people change that -.
I was under the impression that the 40GB/15GB free reference was for installation purposes not necessarily a daily operating environment but I wouldn’t bet the farm on that. Today I wouldn’t typically run a 40GB HDD instead opting for 120GB and above.
said by Martinus :
Now, I have not installed Vista, but since the times of W2K and later on XP, I always move the page file to the first partition of a fast second HD. Temp dirs also go there. I hope - actually, I guess - you can do that in Vista too.
I have run windows XP in such a configuration before but haven’t tried it in Vista.
said by Martinus :
I really don't think having 15 GB or 5 GB free on your system partition will make any difference in performance.
I wouldn’t bother making much of a distinction between 15GB and 5GB free space, I’m certain that I wouldn’t want to run with either if it could be helped. |
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Martinus
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join:2001-08-06
EU
1 edit | reply to Octavean
said by Octavean :I don’t doubt that, that’s why for specificity I stated “Vista Premium” with respect to 40GB or larger (15 GB free space) according to MS. That's probably based on MS's assumption that you will have your page file and your temp dirs in your system drive - that's the standard setup and few people change that -.
Now, I have not installed Vista, but since the times of W2K and later on XP, I always move the page file to the first partition of a fast second HD. Temp dirs also go there. I hope - actually, I guess - you can do that in Vista too.
I really don't think having 15 GB or 5 GB free on your system partition will make any difference in performance.
Edit: According to the MS Vista advisor, you'll probably get a higher score with a 5400 RPM Maxtor with 50 GB free space than with a 10.000 RPM Raptor with 5 GB free space. That sounds strange to me.
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Octavean
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join:2001-03-31
New York, NY | reply to Luko
I don’t doubt that, that’s why for specificity I stated “Vista Premium” with respect to 40GB or larger (15 GB free space) according to MS.
Vista core or Vista Capable differs somewhat from Vista Premium. |
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Luko
Premium
join:2003-06-18
Pittsburg, CA | reply to signmeuptoo
Vista has been installed on a 20gig drive. Least the Beta 2 public release fit. |
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signmeuptoo
Folding and Crunching Not just Breakfast
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clubs: | reply to floydb_1982
No, I am saying until you can speak with full authority on things, just be careful making blanket statements.
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Octavean
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join:2001-03-31
New York, NY
| reply to floydb_1982
Vista Premium Ready PC OS install HDDs must be 40GB or larger (15 GB free space) as a minimum requirement.
Perhaps you should run the “ Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor Beta “ and perhaps do a little research over at the official Vista Home page. No offence intended but the info is just there for the taking,….no need to ask. |
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ccallana
Huh?
Premium,VIP
join:2000-08-03
Folsom, CA
| reply to floydb_1982
To answer most questions -
If you are upgrading to Vista - if you didn't purchase your computer within the last year or 2, I would consider an upgrade.
Its a serious resource hog, especially if you want to use their "best" new UI. For the most part, even a 5 year old CPU will probably be fine, but a system of that vintage is unlikely to have enough memory, or a fast enough video card.
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brut7
join:2000-10-06
Babylon, NY
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| reply to floydb_1982
Speed is everything. My computer runs fine under both xp and vista (currently 5472) but I know how to tweak vista. I use two 7200 rpm sata 3.0 drives in RAID 0. Used to use two 10000 rpm raptors but needed more space and cost was a factor.
Hard drive speed is the number one factor. Of course a duel cpu setup, shotgun ram and duel vid cards help a bit.
I overclock too but shoot for stability and know what I'm doing.
Horsepower is; what it is.
Slow computers are slow, fast computers are fast.
I want my appz and browsers to spring into life the moment I click on an icon.
Fast hardware works great on an OS.
Best Wishes
PS Some will not agree with my viewpoint but it really doesn't cost much to stay close to the leading edge.
If your spending time on a computer, make the most of it. |
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