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Suffern, NY
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Re: guess the vote last year was worthless
said by viperpa33s  : said by shoan :
Heck people still don't get the fact that we do not elect the president our vote is a suggestion to the electorial college. Popular vote means nothing.
There is a reason for the electoral college and our founding fathers new that. Read up and you will see. There may have been a reason back then (such as the lack of real time communication). Thus you in essence supplied a proxy to the Elector to vote for the person who got the most votes and if there was a problem in getting a majority in the first round to keep voting until a majority was reached.
The problem is that there is NO VALID reason to keep it in place as is CURRENTLY constituted. I am not saying to eliminate it and go to direct popular vote but the way the system works should be reformed to make it fairer. By this I mean that the number of electoral votes a state gets is based on the sum of their Senators (ie: 2) plus their Representatives (variable) with a "Winner [of the State Popular Vote] Takes All" allocation. My reform is to only give the State's Senatorial 2 Votes to the State-Wide Popular Vote Winner and allocate the others on a Per-Electoral-District Basis. Since this system is good enough to elect Congress, it should be good enough to elect the President (especially since the number of Votes in the Electoral College is based on the Congressional Election system even though it counts the House Votes as if they were Senate Votes by allocating the House Votes to the winner of the State Popular Vote instead of on a Election District Basis).
In addition there should be UNIFORM Poll Closing Hours NATIONWIDE in Presidential Election Years. By this I mean that ALL Polls close at (lets say) 9PM ET on Tuesday (ie: 6PM PT, 3PM HT [Hawaii], and equivalent times in the CT/MT and Alaska Zones). To compensate for the early Closing Hours in the Non-ET Zones, we would either go to a 24 Hour Poll Hour System or [probably simpler] open the non-ET Zone Polls for a few local time Evening hours on Monday (to replace the "Lost" Tuesday Hours). Thus you could open them from 6PM to 9PM PT on Monday. This would eliminate the effect on the results and turnouts from premature release of East (and Central) Zones results while the West Coast and Hawaii/Alaska still have their Polls open and can still vote. |
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tkprojects
join:2003-06-12
Schenectady, NY
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said by TKJunkMail :Yes, that is what courts do, when a public utility tries to sell bonds and not follow state law. ... But unless the Supreme Court starts overruling lower courts and starts letting the legislature and executive branches have more power, that is the way things are. This is not a matter for the Supreme Court of the U.S. AFAICT because it purely concerns a matter of state governance. I guess some kind of a Commerce Clause argument could be made, but I doubt that the Supreme Court would bite. Thus, the only place it is likely to go is the Lousiana Supreme Court. Having read the opinion, I doubt that the LSC would take up any of the questions. |
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shoan
join:2006-02-27
Benton, AR
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see the electorial comment was just to show that most people don't know how the government even functions half the time. But i agree it is sad that when the majority speaks that is not good enough for the local area. It's shown every single day on all lvls of government that when something does not go the way that one side wants they will appeal it up the chain till it goes thier way and claim justice was done then the other side will go back to appealing it all until they find some judge to side with them so they can say justice was done. just really really tired of judges legislating from the bench. |
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TKJunkMail
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said by Kearnstd :the citizens voted yes to fiber and the courts are basicly saying your vote is worth shit. Yes, that is what courts do, when a public utility tries to sell bonds and not follow state law. I'm not too thrilled when courts overrule the voters wishes, but they do it every day of the week. It's both a strength and a weakness of our 3 pronged form of government(Legislature; Executive; & Judicial). Personally, I think the judicial branch has grown too powerful. But unless the Supreme Court starts overruling lower courts and starts letting the legislature and executive branches have more power, that is the way things are.
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emptywig
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join:2002-08-05
Pasadena, TX
| reply to viperpa33s
The electoral college has nothing to do with anything except choosing the Prez.
A local public referendum has nothing to do with legislators, it's direct democracy - ask the people and if they say yes (and the measure is legal and constitutional) then the answer is yes.
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tk7
join:2005-05-09
4 edits | reply to Kearnstd
said by Kearnstd :the citizens voted yes to fiber and the courts are basicly saying your vote is worth shit. No, the court didn't say anything like that. In fact, the court said that the bonds to be issued were not authorized by the voters (indirectly) because the method of repaying those bonds was not allowed by the law.
In particular, the bonds pledged to repay the debt from proceeeds other than those from the activity for which the bonds were issued, i.e. the communications system, in the even of a credit event. The credit event was defined as a failure to deposit funds into some account WAY BEFORE the due date of the payments. The law only allows usage of proceeds from other activities in the event of a default, i.e. when you don't pay ON the due date. Hence the communications system could have been subsidized from another activity by simply missing the deposit date, but still paying before the due date using funds from the other activity.
The whole idea behind this law is that you don't unfairly offer cheap communications system by charging more for, say, water. Simply stated, if a local government offers a communications system, the communication system must pay for itself or be scrapped as soon as possible. |
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viperpa33s
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said by shoan :
Heck people still don't get the fact that we do not elect the president our vote is a suggestion to the electorial college. Popular vote means nothing.
There is a reason for the electoral college and our founding fathers new that. Read up and you will see.
I do agree it's not up to the judges to strike down or change laws, that suppose to be left up to our legislature. As we have seen and read, some judges take matters into there own hands. Judges are there to interpret and abide by the law.
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shoan
join:2006-02-27
Benton, AR
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I learned a while back that our vote does not mean crap anymore. Heck people still don't get the fact that we do not elect the president our vote is a suggestion to the electorial college. Popular vote means nothing. Really really sad that they can not get this done. I would say to vote out the politicans but it would only mean putting in some other person that thinks that corps. are more important than a common person in thier distric sorry for getting off topic and ranting a little. It just makes me sick that an incumbant can say soem area is not profitable enough to give the people what they want but hell be damned if they do it for themselves. I would love to see a drunk driver in a mack truck go through the town and take out every single bit of telco equipment that was sticking out of the ground, And let the Telco eat that cost. And the drunk could cry they had no clue what they were doing sense they were under the influence of alcohol. That seems to work when they kill some people in the way so should work for the telco stuff they run over :0). |
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Mullica Hill, NJ | the citizens voted yes to fiber and the courts are basicly saying your vote is worth shit.
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