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| Re: False accusations don't always work If I were worried about it, I would block it at the server. I'll take that as a yes and leave the obvious argument alone.
I just originally assumed that you did it on purpose as a joke. Ding. Ding. Ding.
A joke with a point but I'll take what I can get. | |
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| Re: False accusations don't always work said by photobucket :If I were worried about it, I would block it at the server. I'll take that as a yes and leave the obvious argument alone. I just originally assumed that you did it on purpose as a joke. Ding. Ding. Ding. A joke with a point but I'll take what I can get. If the joke is that you want people to think that you are an idiot, then I guess that you are right on track.
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| Hey Netfixer, I don't normally the time to post but I wanted to say I support you 100%. I hope this guy doesn't bother you or your provider anymore. Someone should tell him that you are actually providing a great service for free and 99.9999% of people appreciate it. I only hope when this guy reported you it was cause he was totally clueless and not malicous. | |
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| I guess they will find out soon enough then. It's like attacking Link Logger, when he's in test mode, and then wondering why you get a knock back at the internet door saying
"Thank you for the attempt, it has duly failed, please take a "try again ticket"".
Hope you don't have too much fun chasing them:
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hayc59
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David R.I.P. | photobucket, riddle me this
why do some folks play anonymous on forums?
it a thousand dollar question  | |
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two_can_tango
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| Re: False accusations don't always work "why do some folks play anonymous on forums?"
And hayc59, a just as important and valid question, perhaps a nine hundred and ninety nine dollar question. Why do people think that plugging in an email address and filling out a form so that you can have "Voodoo Child" show up above a clickable blue name makes others more credible or less anonymous?
The notion at this site that people who take the time to fill out a form are somehow less anonymous baffles me. | |
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| Re: False accusations don't always work said by two_can_tango :
The notion at this site that people who take the time to fill out a form are somehow less anonymous baffles me.
I won't presume to answer for hayc59  , but in my case, my "Loc:" information is my true location. A visit to any of my web sites, and/or a whois lookup will give you more personal information about me than I suspect you would care to know. Also, if you are a paid premium user, you must enter your real name, address, and a credit card number, so there is certainly no anonymity from the site operators.
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| Re: False accusations don't always work Sorry, none of that removes anonymity. It just means some extra step was involved (ie. logging in). Your address, there's no verification, you could put whatever you want. Premium account, any user can "gift" any other user with it. No ID check, or credit card required. The website in your signature may have a whois entry, but that doesn't mean it's actually you. I really hope people aren't thinking they should "trust" people based on a clickable blue name. It lends nothing to identification, trustworthiness, or credibility.
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Steve
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| said by NetFixer :Also, if you are a paid premium user, you must enter your real name, address, and a credit card number, so there is certainly no anonymity from the site operators. A credit card number is positively not required for membership here: some premium members were grandfathered in, some got their required tool points via donation from another member, but even those who purchased tool points never gave a credit card to the site: it was done via paypal or Yahoo!, where that information is not passed back to site operators.
It's even possible to be a trusted moderator at DSLR and have nobody here - including Justin - know your real identity.
(Not making a comment on the troll)
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| Re: False accusations don't always work said by Steve :said by NetFixer :Also, if you are a paid premium user, you must enter your real name, address, and a credit card number, so there is certainly no anonymity from the site operators. A credit card number is positively not required for membership here: some premium members were grandfathered in, some got their required tool points via donation from another member, but even those who purchased tool points never gave a credit card to the site: it was done via paypal or Yahoo!, where that information is not passed back to site operators. It's even possible to be a trusted moderator at DSLR and have nobody here - including Justin - know your real identity. (Not making a comment on the troll) Steve I'm not sure how this became the arguement gentlemen, but my premium points were bought by me using a card. How else do you get there.
You Steve have only just mentioned a few. I how ever did use the method you say is not an option. | |
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| Re: False accusations don't always work said by norwegian :You Steve have only just mentioned a few. I how ever did use the method you say is not an option. You didn't give your credit card to Justin - you did it some other way.
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| Re: False accusations don't always work
At the end of the day, I understand what has been just said. If you are an online business, you cannot afford to be sly, maybe with your own desicions in a business sense.
But as a person, your words or your typing here, your comments go hand in hand with your online name.
I have no doubt if what happened to NetFixer did happen. He has seemed honest in his approach to many other questions before, I do not see this thread as any less.
If it was an unknown exploit, then even more for dragging them out. We need to improve the internet, not run around hiding in it.
That is on a commercial and personal level.
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clubs: | I was grandfathered in and some kind person donated me the premium membership. I don't think it would be hard for Justin to figure out who I am though. I have never tried to obscure my identity. | |
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hayc59
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| said by two_can_tango :
"why do some folks play anonymous on forums?"
And hayc59, a just as important and valid question, perhaps a nine hundred and ninety nine dollar question. Why do people think that plugging in an email address and filling out a form so that you can have "Voodoo Child" show up above a clickable blue name makes others more credible or less anonymous?
The notion at this site that people who take the time to fill out a form are somehow less anonymous baffles me.
that my friend is the little ditty thats going to keep you awake tonite!!! hehehehe Muhaaaaaaa 
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hayc59
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| opps to late
An "Internet troll" or "Forum Troll" is a person who posts outrageous message to bait people to answer. Forum Troll delights in sowing discord on the forums. A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is purposely provoking and pulling people into flaming discussion. Flaming discussions usually end with name calling and a flame war.
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PhoneyWar
@CMU.EDU | This all seems a bit dumb. Did it not occur to the idiot that they would check with you before taking any action?
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| Re: False accusations don't always work said by NetFixer :
I suppose it is possible that the user may have a firewall which automatically emails an abuse report if it detects anything it perceives as an attack.
That's a fair possibility considering the very large number of organisations that use email alerts from their IDS to warn them of hostile activity.
To have them sent directly to the ISP is self-defeating as the recipient will eventually become pissed off with the sheer quantity and start filtering them. | |
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1 edit | The point of being registered (for one of our anon posters) isn't that being registered gives you credibility rather the fact that others can go back and check your posting history to see if they should take you as a credible source or not. So it is you who creates your credibility by allowing others to see who you are by your actions. So whether you're helpful or disruptive, polite or rude in your posts over time as well as if you're knowledgeable or should be ignored all show in your history for all to see. I'm not ashamed to let my history show; if you are that affects how I treat you as to credibility. Like it or build a bridge and get over it.
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hayc59
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| Trolls busted into NetFixers thread
plain and simple and its just a darn shame
they have nothing better to do
shame on you shame shame!!!
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| "It's even possible to be a trusted moderator at DSLR and have nobody here - including Justin - know your real identity."
Not so sure about this. I made the mistake of sending a phishing scam and my e-mail log was made avaliable here for the whole world to see. I never did get a message from Justin about it, only Amy. I was not too happy about that being done on a world renouned security forum.
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| Re: False accusations don't always work said by controler :"It's even possible to be a trusted moderator at DSLR and have nobody here - including Justin - know your real identity." Not so sure about this. I made the mistake of sending a phishing scam and my e-mail log was made avaliable here for the whole world to see. I never did get a message from Justin about it, only Amy. I was not too happy about that being done on a world renouned security forum. This is a non-sequitur: whether it's possible to be an unknown mod has nothing to do with what happened to a phishing report.
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dadkins
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| Just for the record, dadkins = D. Adkins... David Adkins
Depending on your "I See People" settings, you may see that I am in Hercules, CA.
I have Comcast as my provider, and I love my VAIOs!
Not too worried about it myself.
YMMV.
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| if you remember I was ALL for no more anon posting at Wilders
I never see anything come of good when people get upset over debates either.
What I really hate is this new wave of the beginning of every new thread. X verses Y? Which is better?
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| Re: False accusations don't always work said by controler :X verses Y? Which is better? I have always prefered Z myself.
Bottom of the ninth, score tied, bases loaded, two outs. Here's the windup, aaaand the pitch, a fast ball right down the center. The batter swings and *****CRACK!!!*****, It's a hard line drive right down the left field line, is fair? I think it might be.... OhNooo it dropped just outside the line! FOUL BALL!!!.
Hey, makes as much sense as the last dozen posts. 
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EGeezer
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1 edit | Re: False accusations don't always work Ouch! I was drinking beer in the left field bleachers when ...
Who was that Masked Man?
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Psicop
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| Hi,
My name is Gerard and currently live in Taiwan.
Who cares whether people know my true identity or not. We all are too busy with our own lives.
I think is important registering in the forum rather than hiding as this kind of behaviour shows a genuine interest in this subject.
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AB
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| Re: False accusations don't always work I went to the link from one of your posts, and clicked on the ping/trace, and it worked real well! Nice site you have there, NetFixer. Simple & straightforward. Could use a few more nature pics, however. Maybe I'll go back & try a port scan. I don't think I'll complain, though.
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1 edit | Re: False accusations don't always work said by NetFixer :. . . Unfortunately my 36 hour days don't always leave me enough time to devote to that task. Then it's my recommendation to cut back to 25 hour days, and only 8 day weeks.
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hayc59
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David R.I.P. | ArgleBargle, port scan is not working for me
let me know how it goes, I think Fixer is working on it?? | |
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| Re: False accusations don't always work said by hayc59 :ArgleBargle, port scan is not working for me let me know how it goes, I think Fixer is working on it?? I did the ping thing yesterday. Just now hit the link, the page took awhile to load, then I got a 'server took too long to respond' message when trying the port scan. So, he's having some server probs, he's working on the site, or the troll is causing him some problem. I hope that last one is not it. | |
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spy1
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| said by NetFixer :A special note to critofur : This is why ISPs and web servers keep logs. It has nothing to do with the FBI trying to track your web surfing habits. In fact, you were not even a suspect in this sabotage attempt because I know the IP address that was used was not yours. A small question - how much time elapsed between the attempted complaint, your figuring it out and its' resolution?
Less than 90 days?
Less than two years?
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| Re: False accusations don't always work said by spy1 :A small question - how much time elapsed between the attempted complaint, your figuring it out and its' resolution? Less than 90 days? Less than two years? Just curious. Pete
Ah, a post mission debriefing. I remember those: 
07/26/2006 -- 19:24 ZULU: The user clicked on my "Test your firewall" link from a DSLR post (see the first post in this thread for details).
07/26/2006 -- 19:25 ZULU: The user requested the port scan in question.
08/14/2006 -- 13:03 ZULU: My email server received the complaint notice from Covad, I don't know whether the delay between the scan and the notice being sent to me was due to the end-user, some third party firewall analysis service, or Covad.
08/14/2006 -- 14:00 ZULU: I launched Netscape Communicator and noticed the email from Covad.
08/14/2006 -- 14:14 ZULU: I extracted the web server log information.
08/14/2006 -- 14:35 ZULU: Sent web server log extract to Covad.
08/14/2006 -- 14:40 ZULU: I brewed a pot of coffee, and fixed a small snack.
08/14/2006 -- 15:19 ZULU: I started this thread on DSLR.
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