anon0
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Re: False accusations don't always work
An insightful article on internet posting anonymity and its benefits.
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said by GadgetsRme  :Are you saying you don't want to be the only one making the sound of air rushing through a blow hole? I personally always want a little noise going to cover the rattle when I shake my old head (brain shrinkage dontcha' know!).  It's more the old adage when someone says, "ok...who's the idiot?" If you look around and don't see any idiots then it's a simple matter deduction. 
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Are you saying you don't want to be the only one making the sound of air rushing through a blow hole? I personally always want a little noise going to cover the rattle when I shake my old head (brain shrinkage dontcha' know!).
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dolphins
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| reply to antiserious
said by antiserious : quote:
we also have registered nitwits ... When I walk into a room the first thing I do is look around for nitwits, if I don't see any, I quickly exit.
I thought a lil' tension relief was in order. 
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javaMan
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| reply to two_can_tango
said by two_can_tango :
On the other hand, almost anyone can make an anonymous post using the name "two_can_tango".
That would seem to me to be a good argument for registering then wouldn't it?
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javaMan
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| reply to Steve
said by Steve :said by javaMan : Additionally, if people like two_can_tango continued to post anonymously under that name they would no longer be anonymous. Anonymous means you don't know his identity, not that you are unable to correlate multiple posts by the same person. Precisely. Anonymous is really a misnomer within this thread's context. There are more important aspects to knowing someone than their address and phone number.
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Steve
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Re: False accusations don't always work
said by javaMan : Additionally, if people like two_can_tango continued to post anonymously under that name they would no longer be anonymous. Anonymous means you don't know his identity, not that you are unable to correlate multiple posts by the same person.
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javaMan
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| reply to Wildcatboy
said by Wildcatboy :. . . As for responses you have been getting, they're related more to your behaviour than anything else. If you're called a Troll, it's because you are Trolling. And the fact that you're trying to play the victim and pretend we all hate anonymous posters, is not going to change the contents of your posts and it won't change the opinion people are going to form about you by reading them. You haven't contributed anything. You've just derailed the thread, which is of course what Trolls do. Anonymous posters are welcome here, Trolls aren't. . . . Additionally, if people like two_can_tango continued to post anonymously under that name they would no longer be anonymous. As dave pointed out, everyone would eventually "know" who they are and could take the appropriate action when seeing their posts. And that would be perfectly fine. On the other hand, the troll will at some point want to change his name in order to continue to be an effective troll. But then I'm sure people like two_can_tango already understand that quite well.
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Re: False accusations don't always work
said by Wildcatboy :I don't see any problem with anonymous posts. In fact I find the ability to post without registering on this site to be one of the great features of this site. I also think this is a great service this site offers.
Someone who finds this site because they think their PC/network has been attacked/infected might be less likely to actually post what sometimes may seem like personal and/or embarrassing information if they have to first setup an account because of a concern that this may even further expose them to attack.
BTW: I appreciate you allowing me to start what was essentially a "rant" thread. Hopefully though, the explanations of how ISP and site logs are useful for something other than casual reading material for the FBI will at least be useful to some visitors.
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| reply to two_can_tango
I don't see any problem with anonymous posts. In fact I find the ability to post without registering on this site to be one of the great features of this site.
As for responses you have been getting, they're related more to your behaviour than anything else. If you're called a Troll, it's because you are Trolling. And the fact that you're trying to play the victim and pretend we all hate anonymous posters, is not going to change the contents of your posts and it won't change the opinion people are going to form about you by reading them.
You haven't contributed anything. You've just derailed the thread, which is of course what Trolls do. Anonymous posters are welcome here, Trolls aren't.
What you're doing, shouldn't and won't affect others who have something intelligent to say and would like to post without registering. They will keep doing so no matter what your opinions are because they are not dumb enough to buy what you have to sell.
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| reply to norwegian
said by norwegian :So, from what I gather, 20 days or so back someone went to do a scan and then ? They then sent an abuse complaint to my ISP claiming that my web server had attacked their PC/network.
said by norwegian :Is it the IP addresses mentioed, or were they related to the un-rego'd people hassling ? I only publicly identified their ISP, not the specific IP address. I think the edited IP address to which you are referring was from my reply to one of the anonymous trolls to show how easy it was to trace back to the moment that he/she posted a direct link to a smiley image on my server (apparently as some sort of sophomoric prank).
said by norwegian :What if it was someone innocent doing a check, and was infected, which caused the usage ? If it was those addresses, I guess your half way there, at least odds on they used these inbetween them and you. I really had not previously considered that perhaps the scan request came from a compromised PC, but it could be a possible explanation, for what would seem to be a foolish scam attempt.
said by norwegian :Is it too late to trace now, or can the ISP log back ? The IP address is known, and their ISP would have records of who was using that IP address should I have needed to associate it with a real name and address. (the RIAA and the MPAA do it every day).
said by norwegian :The reason I ask is I used it around that time, but as far as I know it was all legit.  Unless you were using their PC as an open proxy, the scan request came from a US based residential ISP account, so you are off the hook.
said by norwegian :So how do we look into this ? With installations of beta, I doubt there is a log. What is the process of this ? There is really nothing to look into. Had my ISP simply taken the word of the complainant and shutdown my account, I could have used the IP address to obtain justice and/or revenge. Just answering questions in this thread has already taken much more of my time then the original incident.
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antiserious
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| reply to two_can_tango
said by two_can_tango :
Replying to a comment about being anonymous is completely unacceptable. After all, what is this, some kind of discussion forum?
Humbled again. Thanks.
Heh
... replying so defensively, and assuming hostility directed towards you when none was intended, indeed when the reply wasn't even MADE to you, is a tad over-the-top (unless you're that person using yet another anonymous tag) ... it would appear you're just itching for a fight, and I'm not inclined to accommodate you ...
... but thanks for stopping by ...
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two_can_tango
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"perhaps you should consider your own behavior and the response it engendered "
Perhaps I should. Replying to a comment about being anonymous is completely unacceptable. After all, what is this, some kind of discussion forum?
Humbled again. Thanks.
Heh |
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antiserious
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| reply to two_can_tango
said by two_can_tango :
"we can always handle the spurious nitwit"
Excellent assumption. Obviously we must all be nitwits if we don't register.
It's great to see the hostility peak towards people who post without registering. First NetFixer with his "there's lots that baffles you" and now with you. Bravo. You sure showed us.
... not by the fact that you don't register - I evaluate by the content of the post, or lack thereof ... I have just found a higher correlation between anonymous posters and negative/non-productive comments ... others may feel differently, as is their right ... we also have registered nitwits ...
... I'm sure nothing I say will have any effect on you, and that's fine, I didn't expect it would - but for the record I didn't consider my comments to be 'hostile', merely a response-in-kind ... but take it any way you choose ... if being accused of 'spurious nitwitticism' strikes you as a hostile act, perhaps you should consider your own behavior and the response it engendered ...
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Steve
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| reply to two_can_tango
said by two_can_tango :
Excellent assumption. Obviously we must all be nitwits if we don't register. Even unregistered users figure out quickly that registered-ness is no protection against being a nitwit.
Data point: mods are always registered |
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two_can_tango
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| reply to antiserious
"we can always handle the spurious nitwit"
Excellent assumption. Obviously we must all be nitwits if we don't register.
It's great to see the hostility peak towards people who post without registering. First NetFixer with his "there's lots that baffles you" and now with you. Bravo. You sure showed us. |
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antiserious
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said by photobucket :
Yes, even if I register. The majority of free image and file hosts are url blocked at my gateway. So is all javascript delivered from a Google Inc. domain.
... based on the content of your posts and their contribution to this forum, it's okay with me if you never register - I bet it's okay with a lot of other people as well ... and FYI, registering simply adds a measure of accountability for your words and actions, it's not likely to create it if you don't already have any ...
... it would be swell if more things were blocked at your gateway - on the way out, perhaps ... just a thought ...
... nice job, netfixer, thanks for posting ... as for originating from DSLR, well ... when you have an open-door policy anybody can just waltz in and track mud through the lobby, but that's about as far as they get ... at various times I have thought about supporting required registration, but in the end I'm glad we don't - it would eliminate too many legitimate people looking for help, and we can always handle the spurious nitwit or three, as you showed ... ...
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dave
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| reply to two_can_tango
said by two_can_tango :
The notion at this site that people who take the time to fill out a form are somehow less anonymous baffles me. Sure, there's no connection between a registered user and any real-world entity (unless they so choose), so a registered user is still 'anonymous'.
But the difference is that a registered user has a persistent persona. People get used to posts by dave and react to him on that basis. So, from that point of view, readers might not know who dave really is, but they know what he stands for and have opinions on whether or not he's worth bothering with.
Unregistered users have no such persistent persona, or at least it doesn't look that way. Thus the appearance is that they're not willing to be responsible for what they post.
It's not much different to how one forms an opinion of someone in real life, actually. |
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