photobucket
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Re: False accusations don't always work
If I were worried about it, I would block it at the server. I'll take that as a yes and leave the obvious argument alone.
I just originally assumed that you did it on purpose as a joke. Ding. Ding. Ding.
A joke with a point but I'll take what I can get. |
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NetFixer
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| reply to two_can_tango
said by two_can_tango :
The notion at this site that people who take the time to fill out a form are somehow less anonymous baffles me.
I won't presume to answer for hayc59  , but in my case, my "Loc:" information is my true location. A visit to any of my web sites, and/or a whois lookup will give you more personal information about me than I suspect you would care to know. Also, if you are a paid premium user, you must enter your real name, address, and a credit card number, so there is certainly no anonymity from the site operators.
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hayc59
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said by photobucket :
Could you post the troll image (trollwq9.gif) as an attachment? ImageShack, PhotoBucket, etc. are blocked at the perimeter here.
ah not if you register?? but for you old friend
yes here ya go
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NetFixer
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| reply to photobucket
said by photobucket :If I were worried about it, I would block it at the server. I'll take that as a yes and leave the obvious argument alone. I just originally assumed that you did it on purpose as a joke. Ding. Ding. Ding. A joke with a point but I'll take what I can get. If the joke is that you want people to think that you are an idiot, then I guess that you are right on track.
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two_can_tango
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| reply to NetFixer
Sorry, none of that removes anonymity. It just means some extra step was involved (ie. logging in). Your address, there's no verification, you could put whatever you want. Premium account, any user can "gift" any other user with it. No ID check, or credit card required. The website in your signature may have a whois entry, but that doesn't mean it's actually you. I really hope people aren't thinking they should "trust" people based on a clickable blue name. It lends nothing to identification, trustworthiness, or credibility.
Sorry to side-track your thread, but like I said, it's baffling to me. |
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hayc59
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| reply to two_can_tango
said by two_can_tango :
"why do some folks play anonymous on forums?"
And hayc59, a just as important and valid question, perhaps a nine hundred and ninety nine dollar question. Why do people think that plugging in an email address and filling out a form so that you can have "Voodoo Child" show up above a clickable blue name makes others more credible or less anonymous?
The notion at this site that people who take the time to fill out a form are somehow less anonymous baffles me.
that my friend is the little ditty thats going to keep you awake tonite!!! hehehehe Muhaaaaaaa 
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NetFixer
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| reply to two_can_tango
Re: False accusations don't always work
said by two_can_tango :
The website in your signature may have a whois entry, but that doesn't mean it's actually you...
Sorry to side-track your thread, but like I said, it's baffling to me.
It is baffling to you because you apparently don't have a clue as to how internet commerce (or probably any kind of commerce) works. It is rather hard to sell a product or service if your potential customers can't find you. I suspect that quite a few things are baffling to you.
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PhoneyWar
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| reply to NetFixer
said by NetFixer :
I suppose it is possible that the user may have a firewall which automatically emails an abuse report if it detects anything it perceives as an attack.
That's a fair possibility considering the very large number of organisations that use email alerts from their IDS to warn them of hostile activity.
To have them sent directly to the ISP is self-defeating as the recipient will eventually become pissed off with the sheer quantity and start filtering them. |
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Steve
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| reply to NetFixer
Re: False accusations don't always work
said by NetFixer :Also, if you are a paid premium user, you must enter your real name, address, and a credit card number, so there is certainly no anonymity from the site operators. A credit card number is positively not required for membership here: some premium members were grandfathered in, some got their required tool points via donation from another member, but even those who purchased tool points never gave a credit card to the site: it was done via paypal or Yahoo!, where that information is not passed back to site operators.
It's even possible to be a trusted moderator at DSLR and have nobody here - including Justin - know your real identity.
(Not making a comment on the troll)
Steve
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norwegian
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| said by Steve :said by NetFixer :Also, if you are a paid premium user, you must enter your real name, address, and a credit card number, so there is certainly no anonymity from the site operators. A credit card number is positively not required for membership here: some premium members were grandfathered in, some got their required tool points via donation from another member, but even those who purchased tool points never gave a credit card to the site: it was done via paypal or Yahoo!, where that information is not passed back to site operators. It's even possible to be a trusted moderator at DSLR and have nobody here - including Justin - know your real identity. (Not making a comment on the troll) Steve I'm not sure how this became the arguement gentlemen, but my premium points were bought by me using a card. How else do you get there.
You Steve have only just mentioned a few. I how ever did use the method you say is not an option. |
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Steve
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| said by norwegian :You Steve have only just mentioned a few. I how ever did use the method you say is not an option. You didn't give your credit card to Justin - you did it some other way.
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dadkins
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| reply to NetFixer
said by NetFixer : Also, if you are a paid premium user, you must enter your real name, address, and a credit card number, so there is certainly no anonymity from the site operators. I get Anon donated tool points all the time.
I got my Premium from Anon.
I have upgraded a couple others to Premium, and I still have 10 tool points.
I don't even have a credit card! 
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said by norwegian :I'm not sure how this became the arguement gentlemen, but my premium points were bought by me using a card. How else do you get there. Steve 's point is that even though you used a form on DSLR to pay for your premium membership, the information is actually sent to a third party for processing, and DSLR never sees the users information. I have been offered that type of credit card processing by several organizations, but I prefer to know with whom I am doing business (and by screening out charges from Albania, Bulgaria, etc, I can avoid a lot of charge-backs).
EDIT: This thread seems to have suddenly taken on the characteristics of a foul ball in to the left field stands.
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boognish
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clubs: | reply to norwegian
I was grandfathered in and some kind person donated me the premium membership. I don't think it would be hard for Justin to figure out who I am though. I have never tried to obscure my identity. |
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GadgetsRme
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1 edit | reply to NetFixer
The point of being registered (for one of our anon posters) isn't that being registered gives you credibility rather the fact that others can go back and check your posting history to see if they should take you as a credible source or not. So it is you who creates your credibility by allowing others to see who you are by your actions. So whether you're helpful or disruptive, polite or rude in your posts over time as well as if you're knowledgeable or should be ignored all show in your history for all to see. I'm not ashamed to let my history show; if you are that affects how I treat you as to credibility. Like it or build a bridge and get over it.
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hayc59
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| reply to NetFixer
Trolls busted into NetFixers thread
plain and simple and its just a darn shame
they have nothing better to do
shame on you shame shame!!!
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controler
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| reply to NetFixer
"It's even possible to be a trusted moderator at DSLR and have nobody here - including Justin - know your real identity."
Not so sure about this. I made the mistake of sending a phishing scam and my e-mail log was made avaliable here for the whole world to see. I never did get a message from Justin about it, only Amy. I was not too happy about that being done on a world renouned security forum.
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norwegian
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| reply to NetFixer
At the end of the day, I understand what has been just said. If you are an online business, you cannot afford to be sly, maybe with your own desicions in a business sense.
But as a person, your words or your typing here, your comments go hand in hand with your online name.
I have no doubt if what happened to NetFixer did happen. He has seemed honest in his approach to many other questions before, I do not see this thread as any less.
If it was an unknown exploit, then even more for dragging them out. We need to improve the internet, not run around hiding in it.
That is on a commercial and personal level.
Maybe we can stop it happening to others. |
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