blaster_bolt
join:2003-12-14
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|  Seagate 127GB barrier
i bought 320GB Seagate Harddrive today. after all the program installs i remembered i have to "unlock" (?) the drive so i can get full 320GB instead of 127GB. i tried Partition Magic and DiscWizard2003 by Seagate but both didn't work. well, the partition magic did operate, but i'm still getting the "other" half of the 320GB even though i merged the two partitions.
any ideas to get access to rest of the drive?
i remember using the maxtor tool for my maxtor drive, but it seems the utility from seagate isn't working either...
please help! |
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CylonRed
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join:2000-07-06
Bloom County
| How old is the PC you are trying to put hte drive into? It is a BIOs issue and although there are overlays that the drive manufactures have to get the full volume - it is not the best way and it would be better to see if oyur motherboard will support it without the overlay... |
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Sir Raleigh
Premium,MVM
join:2001-07-31
Raleigh, NC
| reply to blaster_bolt
What OS are you using?
I don't believe Seagate supplies an overlay to make the full capacity of the drive available to all OS's like Maxtor and WD do. At least my Seagate 200GB drive didn't.
I'm running Win98SE and had to install a Host Controller card to see the entire Seagate drive.
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jap
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| reply to blaster_bolt
The 127gb is the FAT32 file system limitation, win98se's limit is 137gb.
If you are on win2000, XP, or linux and chose to use FAT32 then switching to NTFS (or one in the several linux file systems) will solve the problem ... assuming the hardware supports 320gb.
That's the first thing: find out if the motherboard will support 320 gb with the latest chipset firmware (aka BIOS flash version). If not, go with an add-on controller card that does, as Sir Raleigh  mentions, or return the drive and purchase one within the limitations of the hardware.
I will be more forceful than CylonRed concerning the 'overlay' hacks that drive manufacturers provide: don't do it! They work, but are a risky commitment which is also difficult to back out of. Most commonly people forget the dependency (there's no reminder it's there) and attach the drive differently (eg: USB, Firewire, mount in a different computer, etc.) and experience data loss. But even if you have a stellar memory, someday you'll rebuild that box or upgrade to another computer and you will have to move all the data off the seagate 320, reformat, then move it all back on. That was OK when drives were 3-15 gb, but I assure you that moving 200+ gb of data around is risky, unfun, and will likely mean you have to go buy another large drive you neither need nor want just to have a temporary holding place for all that data. Bah.
Seagate has a good page addressing these issues. I hope you bought the new perpendicular recording SATA-2: super nice drives!
Cheers! |
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jap
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| Oh. One other clarification. The FAT32 and Win98se (127,137gb) limitations are volume limits, not physical drive. In other words, they will support your new drive, but you'll have to slice up the storage into three or more partitioons (eg: 120 + 120 + 55 = ~295gb, your approx. real storage after MB-MiB conversion + partition space).
I think you'll lose some OS whole-drive tools like scandisk [?]. It's a poor practice and FAT is hardly a good file system to use on such large volumes, but it can be made to work.
The motherboard chipset limitations pertain to physical drive. |
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Sir Raleigh
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join:2001-07-31
Raleigh, NC
| Hi jap .
I run Win98SE...
So, you're saying that if I have a 200GB hard drive already partitioned to say 95GB, 95GB and 10GB (which I do) that I can just go ahead and plug it into my motherboard as Secondary Master and my OS will see it as drives D, E and F?
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CylonRed
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Bloom County
1 edit | said by Sir Raleigh :Hi jap . I run Win98SE... So, you're saying that if I have a 200GB hard drive already partitioned to say 95GB, 95GB and 10GB (which I do) that I can just go ahead and plug it into my motherboard as Secondary Master and my OS will see it as drives D, E and F? Correct....
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Sir Raleigh
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join:2001-07-31
Raleigh, NC
| Actually, I made a mistake in my reference as to where I want to put the 200GB drive. I said Secondary Master, but I actually meant Primary Slave. (Both drives on the same Primary IDE cable.) I already have two DVD drives on the Secondary IDE cable and I want to leave them there.
Let's see if this will work:
Right now I have a 10GB C drive with my OS on it plus a 120GB drive as D.
I remove the 10GB drive completely, partition my 120GB drive to 10 + 110 (the 10GB being primary partition) and put it as Primary Master. Then I put my 200GB on as Primary Slave (on the same IDE cable). That should give me 5 drive letters and 320GB of drive space.
Then I can put another OS on the 10GB partition (which is already the primary partition) of my 200GB and have a dual-boot system.
My BIOS will boot from any of the 4 IDE primary partitions.
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signmeuptoo
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| reply to blaster_bolt
To the OP, blaster_bolt:
Fried, don't waste your time with that parition magic. That product is a piece of crap. Ever since Norton's/Symantec bought it out from the other guys, it has been crap, like ALL Norton software nowadays. I can't stand anything they make.
Besides, there are free parition programs out there, IIRC, just ask about them in the software forum.
You are better off with partitions, though. That way even if one partition borks, the others should be ok.
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blaster_bolt
join:2003-12-14
2400067
| reply to blaster_bolt
hey guys thanks for all the replies! really appreciate it. i myself googled some stuff and came up with software by Acronis Disk Director. And to cut to the end, I was able to accomplish what i wanted/needed to do.
but here's another problem. the old system drive, the 250GB is not being recognized by the Disk Dirctor. I formatted the drive usingh explorer's right click -> format. but i still can make the software to recognize the 250GB drive.
here's my basic hardware stat
asus A8N-E
Athlon 64 3200+ Venice
2GB RAM in Dual channel
X800SE 256MB
all posts are welcome!! |
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jap
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join:2003-08-10
038xx
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to Sir Raleigh
said by Sir Raleigh :I remove the 10GB drive completely, partition my 120GB drive to 10 + 110 (the 10GB being primary partition) and put it as Primary Master. Then I put my 200GB on as Primary Slave (on the same IDE cable). That should give me 5 drive letters and 320GB of drive space.
Then I can put another OS on the 10GB partition (which is already the primary partition) of my 200GB and have a dual-boot system. Yes, that will work because you chose to use the 120gb drive to host the win98se files ... but when booted to w98se you won't be able to read anything on the mobo-controlled 200gb drive, making shared-access data a hassle to manage. One caveat: I don't know how w98se will react to the 200gb drive when it boots up. I doubt it will do anything, but some installed 3rd-party tools might try to "fix" it and fubar things up. If you mount the 200gb via your PCI add-on controller then win98se will be able to access any FAT32 partitions 137. I assume you already know the mobo IDE controller will support the 200.
Also noteworthy, even though FAT32 can handle the ~110gb volume, FAT's file table (the index database of all files on a volume) is an inefficient flat file that bogs down when the file list gets long and/or directory nesting goes deep. If you intend to use a partition for large files (eg: vids) then no problem, but if storing thousands of small files it's best to create smaller partitions. Additionally, the OS + every form of file management tool like AV/checkfile/indexing/defrag/etc scanners "think" in whole volumes, so often best to keep the volumes smaller, again some of that depending on data types, sizes, and things like separating user data on multiple user machines (eg: insulating clueless or sloppy users from more organized users/low risk). |
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Sir Raleigh
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join:2001-07-31
Raleigh, NC
| Thanks for the information. I think I'll just keep the 200GB drive on my Host Controller since that's the way I originally set it up and it works just fine that way.
I was just curious if there was another way to use the 200GB drive. Loosing the 10GB drive wouldn't be a big deal, but based on your information the hassle of putting the 200GB drive on the motherboard might be more than it's worth.
Thanks again for your time in information.
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jap
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·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to blaster_bolt
said by blaster_bolt :the 250GB is not being recognized by the Disk Dirctor. I formatted the drive usingh explorer's right click -> format. but i still can make the software to recognize the 250GB drive. How many partitions? Remember the 137gb limit of win98se. Also, under FAT32 you must designate first partition as primary, 2nd,3rd,4th as extended. Use Acronis DD (or PartitionMagic, for that matter) for all of the drive setup rather than via win98se as it'll go faster, do it in batch so you don't have to sit and watch it, and their GUI will, I assume, make more sense. |
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SipSizzurp
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| reply to blaster_bolt
I did a clean install of XP Pro a couple weeks ago into a 250 GB drive. I noticed that I could not see the entire drive until I installed SP2. What OS and service packs are you using ? The disk manager in the administration tools is where you will either see the entire hard drive or not, independent of how you have it partitioned or formatted.
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USR56K
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| said by SipSizzurp :I did a clean install of XP Pro a couple weeks ago into a 250 GB drive. I noticed that I could not see the entire drive until I installed SP2. Thats because LBA 48-bit support is only enabled in SP1 and later.
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SipSizzurp
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| said by USR56K :Thats because LBA 48-bit support is only enabled in SP1 and later. Precisely the words I was searching for. I thought that this may be a factor in the problem at hand, and warranted some scrutiny. I wasn't sure if the FAT32 / partition utility discussion was the right direction to be heading, but the OP has yet to clarify. Thanks, U. S. Robotics, fifty six kilo bytes !  .
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blaster_bolt
join:2003-12-14
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hey guys thanks for all the posts! i myself just got head over the heels and crashed the os, XP pro sp2. i found acronis software called disk director and i was able to do what i wanted to do. thanks again guys! |
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max3gth
join:2006-03-21
j2c
| reply to blaster_bolt
well,i had a similar problems with windows 2k. to fix that,well i used a boot-cd called freedos cuz some operating systems have limits to prepare disk partitions
download at »www.freedos.org burn the downloaded iso and boot with the burned cd.
use fdisk included with the cd and create an entire partition. after,format your disk using
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jap
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·RoadRunner Cable
| said by max3gth :well,i had a similar problems with windows 2k. Both early win2k & XP shipped without 48bit LBA enabled by default; you had to manually enable. Win2k added support in SP3, which came out over 4 years ago. Since about that time Windows Update has offered to enable it automatically, all drive-manufacturer tools I've ever seen do the same (often silently), and for the DYI addicts how-tos are all over the web.
It's always preferable to enable support natively rather than dropping some 3rd-party workaround into the mix.
[MS] 48-Bit LBA Support in Windows 2000
[MS] 48-Bit LBA Support in Windows XP
»www.largeharddrivesupport.window···inxp.htm |
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blaster_bolt
join:2003-12-14
2400067
| reply to blaster_bolt
okay another problem sorta related. so i have this Maxtor 250GB that was my previous system drive. using, explorer's rigt click -> format, i formatted the drive. but when i see the drive with partition magic, it shows as BAD and in Disk Director, the drive doesn't even show! now that i have a new system drive, i want to use the old maxor as data storage, but how will i be able to make at least the disk director to recognize the disk?
thanks much guys! |
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