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1 edit | Earmarked?
One wonders if this was a Hatch earmark....
Of course, this system will now get attacked for having extensive government funding and competing with the private sector. While I'm glad to see this go forward, we'll have to look at others to "prove out" the economic sense of wresting control of the Internet from the likes of Qwest.
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| U.S. Department of Agriculture loan program aimed at shoring up rural broadband. The money will help speed up construction in six of the project's cities Anyone but me notice the absurdity of a Dept of Agriculture loan for RURAL broadband enhancement going to help out deployment in 6 CITIES?
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| said by TKJunkMail  :U.S. Department of Agriculture loan program aimed at shoring up rural broadband. The money will help speed up construction in six of the project's cities Anyone but me notice the absurdity of a Dept of Agriculture loan for RURAL broadband enhancement going to help out deployment in 6 CITIES? Poor Tjunk, you should be very upset that your Comcast buddies won't enjoy their monopoly anymore...  |
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| said by kamm :said by TKJunkMail :U.S. Department of Agriculture loan program aimed at shoring up rural broadband. The money will help speed up construction in six of the project's cities Anyone but me notice the absurdity of a Dept of Agriculture loan for RURAL broadband enhancement going to help out deployment in 6 CITIES? Poor Tjunk, you should be very upset that your Comcast buddies won't enjoy their monopoly anymore... Non-responsive reply. Want to try again?
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| said by TKJunkMail :Non-responsive reply. Want to try again? I'll try, how about the fact the the term "cities" is probably used to represent the zipcode one lives in.
Then there's the off chance that the major employer in these ares is agriculture. Agriculture isn't limited to the growing of good but also the people who are employed by it.
We also have the technical aspect that the infrastructure providing the services on this fiber network is probably based within the cites rather than in billy bob's barn. so they need to spend the money to expand the network to the barn, not from it.
The real answer though is you're just pissed because the government is giving money to another part of government instead of some private investors.
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| The linked article says "six cities" but mentions only five by name. With 2000 Census population numbers, they are:
Lindon 8,363
Payson 12,716
Brigham City 17,411
Centerville 14,585
Tremonton 5,592
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said by TKJunkMail :Anyone but me notice the absurdity of a Dept of Agriculture loan for RURAL broadband enhancement going to help out deployment in 6 CITIES? This area IS largely rural, despite the fact that people live in "cities".
Insofar as this is a "fiber" project, there is little reason to install it in areas that have a lesser population density.
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said by TKJunkMail :Anyone but me notice the absurdity of a Dept of Agriculture loan for RURAL broadband enhancement going to help out deployment in 6 CITIES? Americans heavily abuse the word "city", to them it is any place with a population greater than 1,000. Of course in modern times this number is absolutely absurd. That to me, and the rest of the world, is a "town". A city is closer to a population of 1 million or more. So cities of the Northeast would go "Washington D.C., Baltimore, Philadelphia, Newark, New York City, Providence, Boston". The whole world makes fun of us for this, even the Brits call us "septics" for this very reason.
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The private sector is free to compete across the Utopia network with the other service providers. Utopia is only the infrastructure. Frankly this is exactly what USF fee's should be going towards. NOT private networks. Private networks should be built/upgraded with PRIVATE money. Otherwise they're really public networks, and should only garner their present "owners" a management fee.. nothing more.
This is by far the least ridiculous thing the DoA does. Paying way over market price to burn millions of tons of grain to keep tiny farms solvent certainly ranks higher in my book. |
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said by BloodRoses :The whole world makes fun of us for this, even the Brits call us "septics" for this very reason. Somehow I doubt that the rest of the world disapproving of the way we use the term "city" is going to change the way we use it. In fact, if more Americans knew of this disapproval, we would probably end up calling individual rooms "cities."
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said by firephoto : Then there's the off chance that the major employer in these areas is agriculture. Agriculture isn't limited to the growing of good but also the people who are employed by it. Is there any meddling by the Dept. of Agriculture that's not justified by "addressing the needs of employees of agriculture?" line of reasoning?
Not everybody opposed muni broadband is on the take by the cable companies or the telcos.
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| Again, the program is administered under the Rural Development Program. This programs provides financing for programs for electric, water, telecommunications projects in rural areas.
They provide low interest loans for coops or communities that are over looked by for profit companies that do not see a quick enough return on their investment.
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said by BloodRoses :said by TKJunkMail :Anyone but me notice the absurdity of a Dept of Agriculture loan for RURAL broadband enhancement going to help out deployment in 6 CITIES? Americans heavily abuse the word "city", to them it is any place with a population greater than 1,000. Of course in modern times this number is absolutely absurd. That to me, and the rest of the world, is a "town". A city is closer to a population of 1 million or more. So cities of the Northeast would go "Washington D.C., Baltimore, Philadelphia, Newark, New York City, Providence, Boston". The whole world makes fun of us for this, even the Brits call us "septics" for this very reason. Wrong. The term "city" is commonly used for places with a population of 250,000 or more. There are also Towns, Boroughs, Townships, Villages, etc... It all depends on the form of government, not really population.
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said by Steve :said by firephoto : Then there's the off chance that the major employer in these areas is agriculture. Agriculture isn't limited to the growing of good but also the people who are employed by it. Is there any meddling by the Dept. of Agriculture that's not justified by "addressing the needs of employees of agriculture?" line of reasoning? Not everybody opposed muni broadband is on the take by the cable companies or the telcos. I'm sure they choose the dept. of agriculture to funnel these broadband funds through because the majority of agriculture jobs are minimum wage jobs. This makes it easy to target low income areas that large internet providers with the resources to build the infrastructure won't touch due to it not being profittable enough when only the single area is taken into account.
I see no reason for any geographic area of the country to be underserved by broadband and these financial incentives from the government help to provide these services in the rural areas. I'm all for a free market where there's no limitations on what one can or cannot do. I also see broadband or any connection to the "internet" as a utility and not something extra. I can choose to not have it or use it but it should be available no matter where one is located. It's no more or less important than a wired telephone.
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The biggest problem is that this gross misappropriation of tax player's money is unconstitutional. If a state government did this, it would be one thing, but the federal government doing this is another. This is an unconstitutional expansion of power by the federal government and it opens the door to tyranny and totalitarianism, as if the federal government is allowed to ignore a piece of the Constitution on any grounds, then nothing keeps it from ignoring any other piece of the Constitution and our perception of whatever we believe will prevent it from such action is only a perception and it will do nothing to stop the federal government from doing whatever the heck it wants. |
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said by Nuts :Again, the program is administered under the Rural Development Program. This programs provides financing for programs for electric, water, telecommunications projects in rural areas. They provide low interest loans for coops or communities that are over looked by for profit companies that do not see a quick enough return on their investment. Why shouldn't the people who choose one set of benefits of living in a certain area (nature, clean air, no spam) bear the cost of those choices rather than expect others to pay for their taste in living arrangements?
If I live in the big city, and something in the environment about that choice is expensive (say, parking), should the rural folks subsidize that for me? |
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| said by Steve :Why shouldn't the people who choose one set of benefits of living in a certain area (nature, clean air, nature) bear the cost of those choices rather than expect others to pay for their taste in living arrangements? Here in Oregon the urban schools actually cause a substantial negative flow of tax dollars away from the rural schools.
So I guess THAT sword cuts both ways...eh?
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It takes a lot more money to support an urban area, than a rural. I garantee you that more of my tax money has gone to supporting those that live in cities, especially large cities, than I have ever gotten from them.
Why shouldn't I be able to get some of may tax money that I have paid back in a loan to a member owned to help me earn a better income. Which, by the way, equates back into more tax money for the urban areas to leach from me. |
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said by calvoiper :The linked article says "six cities" but mentions only five by name. With 2000 Census population numbers, they are: Lindon 8,363 Payson 12,716 Brigham City 17,411 Centerville 14,585 Tremonton 5,592 ...all of which are agricultural cities. Although Centerville is not so much anymore. I for one am a proponent of UTOPIA and am happy to see it get this boost.
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And which Constitutional provision does it trample, pray tell?
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