ITALIAN926
join:2003-08-16
Stratford, CT
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Good for Verizon in sticking up for its business.. Once again I have to voice my opinion that municipalities should not be entering into this market. All these muni networks will start off cheap or free.. and when they claim enough of the market it will simply become a TAX on the people in order to create revenue. Prices will skyrocket.. just as tolls on bridges and tunnels .. the same as parking fines.
Verizon has plans to build out FiOS eventually.. its just a stupid move on the government. FiOS will eventually kick its ass and it'll be a failed project and a waste of taxes. |
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shoan
join:2006-02-27
Benton, AR
| this said from someone that is posting in the bronx so where were they just yesterday was there nto a news blerb about verison concentrating on the new york city area so since you can either get fios now or really soon you say to hell with what the local community decided for it's self who knows if verizon would ever bless them with the designation of being profitable enough to deploy there. So let thier people have what they want. If it turns out bad for them then they will learn from it if it turns out good for them then yay. But don't stand in thier way Verizon. |
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JSRoman
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Callahan, FL
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Normally I would agree but in this case it looks like this fiber network is purely for government and school use. This is going to save the schools and municipalities a ton of cash. If I was a resident in these area and had any Verizon service I would make sure to cancel my Verizon service to show my disapproval of their hardball tactics. Good for them for just going around Verizon and avoiding having to go to court.
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shoan
join:2006-02-27
Benton, AR
| It jsut seems to me that Verizon and the Muni could quit fighting and make a coop type agreement. There are bigger things out there that need the money that get wasted on lawsuits to fight the deployment like I don't know maybe deploying service lol. |
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TKJunkMail
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said by JSRoman  :Normally I would agree but in this case it looks like this fiber network is purely for government and school use. I'll bet that if that was true, Verizon wouldn't have fought it. But it isn't:
To further reduce costs, and spread the benefits of fiber optics, the MAISD invited the county, Central Dispatch, Muskegon Community and Baker colleges and a nonprofit Internet-service provider to join the project,
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What you say might be true in The Bronx but don't think it is necessary true for everyplace else. If the incumbents won't install a system then cities need to do things for themselves. A good digital network is very important to a city to attract businesses.
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tsu9
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL | reply to TKJunkMail
Good thing those non-profit organizations aren't out to make a profit, much like schools and government. |
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Dolgan
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Sun Prairie, WI
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Utter BS for Verizon to block it. There are no current plans to install FIOS in any of the Upper Midwest Region{other than Ft Wayne, IN where it is currently offered}. VZ is still involved in talks to try and sell the region and will not be doing any upgrades to the network untill the talks fail. Maybe if more communities take this action throughout the country, VZ and the other telcos will get off their arses and start deploying next gen networks throughout their footprints. |
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Nuts
join:2006-04-27
Forest, OH | Dolgan, you hit the nail right on the head. |
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Dalton Township resi
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ITALIAN926, unlike you, I am actually a resident of the county in question. And unlike you, I am very supportive of the county in this case. First of all, the law in question is being interpreted very narrowly by Verizon, and I'm sure the lawmakers never intended it to be interpreted in that manner (of course, since the phone companies practically write the damn telecommunications act every time it's revised, the legislators often seem to have no idea what they are passing).
Second, when this project was originally conceived, it was only intended to link the county's schools (note that one of the colleges is a Community college that is funded by the county, and the other has an adjacent campus so there is no extra cost to interconnect the two campuses) and certain governmental offices, several of which were in areas where Verizon had not deployed even basic DSL, and wouldn't give any sort of guarantee that they would do so. When Verizon started playing hardball, I think the county decided that if Verizon was going to do that, they needed to bring others into the system to share the costs. Note that there are still no plans to have a for-profit Internet provider share in this system, so it's NOT a typical muni system as most people here define it. My guess is that the "non-profit" provider is Merit or MichNet (which interconnect the state's colleges and universities), but that's just a guess.
Given the bad taste Verizon has left in everyone's mouth, it would not surprise me if in the future the county tells Verizon to go screw themselves when they want to sell services to the county or the schools, or for that matter, when they want to place new poles. I notice the county is now talking about using VoIP, which would probably never even have been under consideration (not for quite some time, anyway), had it not been for Verizon's tactics.
Verizon could probably have avoided all of this by offering DSL throughout the county in a timely manner, but they chose to play the role of the big, bad telephone company. Nice way to burn your bridges, Verizon. |
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Fatal Vector
join:2005-11-26 | Perhaps I'm missing something here
But, WTF does verizon have to do with sharing poles in MI?
AT&T is the telco in MI, INCLUDING the muskegon area as far as I know. |
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rawgerz
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Grove City, PA
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Re: haha
I've honestly will never understand NY types like yourself. Everyone there seems to think that businesses like Verizon are something they take pride in and should protect from bad mouthing any such companies.
While the rest of us in less dense areas are billed beyond belief for little services. We don't share your view of Verizon as a 'godsend'. Maybe if they paid more attention to our areas we would, but for the last decade we have largely been neglected and monopolized. Just last week we received a phone bill for $92 from Verizon, and that's just for a basic 2 line POTS with one caller ID, and hardly any long distance charges.
So what if the project might go south, at least it's A choice that is working on giving the people something better while giving Verizon competition.
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Dolgan
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Sun Prairie, WI
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Re: Perhaps I'm missing something here
Wrong. There are multiple ILECs in every state. AT&T{former Ameritech} has almost every major city in the upper Midwest, Verizon{former GTE} has most of the small to medium cities, and there are several smaller outfits{Centurytel & etc.} that serve the smaller communities. |
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Tom517
join:2006-07-13
Greenville, SC
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Actually it's a toss-up. In MI, most poles are actually owned by the electric utilities. I would think that in outlying areas, they belong to whoever put up the poles first...especially in outlying areas where GTE was once the telephone company. |
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PeterCollins
join:2005-05-23
Geneva, IL | reply to Dalton Township resi
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I'm not an expert on Michigan law, but it would seem the easiest way to get on the poles would be for the non-profit to apply for CLEC status. If they got it, they could ride any utility poles they liked and would have the legal authority to do so. |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA
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Which means they're not offering service. They're simply offering the network for open competition. Exactly as a municipal project should do. This should scare Verizon, as it will take away the advantage of owning the network, and providing service on it. Of course it says nothing for their ethics that they try to sue in order to stop this completely legit type of competition. This is the consequence of squeezing all your competitors off your own network; society SHOULD be correcting this inefficiency. |
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batterup
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Netcong, NJ
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said by shoan : So let thier people have what they want. If it turns out bad for them then they will learn from it if it turns out good for them then yay. But don't stand in thier way Verizon. Verizon did not stand in their way, the law of Michigan stood in the way. Why didn't Michigan change the law? Why can't people see through the B.S.? |
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batterup
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said by JSRoman :Normally I would agree but in this case it looks like this fiber network is purely for government and school use. This is going to save the schools and municipalities a ton of cash. If I was a resident in these area and had any Verizon service I would make sure to cancel my Verizon service to show my disapproval of their hardball tactics. Good for them for just going around Verizon and avoiding having to go to court. Ya, cancel Verizon and have MAISD supply service. Oh wait, MAISD is cherry picking and the public is not welcome on the PRIVATE network. Now that the profitable services are going to be taken away form Verizon the not so profitable services will coat more. Whaaaa whaaaa, Verizon is raising prices, whaaaa whaaaa. |
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batterup
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Netcong, NJ
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said by Ahrenl :Which means they're not offering service. They're simply offering the network for open competition. Wrong, it is a private network, the public be damned. |
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batterup
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Netcong, NJ
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said by Dolgan :Utter BS for Verizon to block it. There are no current plans to install FIOS in any of the Upper Midwest Region{other than Ft Wayne, IN where it is currently offered}. VZ is still involved in talks to try and sell the region and will not be doing any upgrades to the network untill the talks fail. Maybe if more communities take this action throughout the country, VZ and the other telcos will get off their arses and start deploying next gen networks throughout their footprints. Or sell the swamps and woods as Verizon did in Hawaii and wants to do in North New England. Go ahead, cherry pick the easy and profitable areas. Verizon will sell your ass to the French. |
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