cableties
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join:2005-01-27
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Throw in a bigger one...
Aside from yelling "We need more green-friendly resources like solar and wind..." I just threw a APC SmartUps 3000Va ups in the closet that the Fios equipment is connected too...so when THAT thing goes, well, I think I am in need of OTHER things (water, essential AC...)
When the Fios tech was installing theirs, I asked if I could have it tie-in to mine and he smiled, that will be just fine! |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
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| said by cableties  :Aside from yelling "We need more green-friendly resources like solar and wind..." I just threw a APC SmartUps 3000Va ups in the closet that the Fios equipment is connected too How does a battery fit in with "green friendly resources?"
Manufacturing and disposing of batteries is one of the worst things you can do to the environment.
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cableties
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join:2005-01-27
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| So give us another source for storing power that isn't bad for environment.
Exactly.
(yes, true. You never seem to hear that batteries have lead, acid, and other heavy metals or incinerating chemicals. Atleast with APC, when I get replacements, they come with PrePaid UPS tag to ship the battery to recycler) |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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| said by cableties :So give us another source for storing power that isn't bad for environment. True, there isn't an environmentally friendly alternative to batteries, but that doesn't mean that by default they should be included in the "green friendly" category.
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ricep5
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There are no alternative power sources that don't pollute.
Even solar cells and wind generators and water turbines create pollution when they are built.
You simply push the pollution to another locale.
Electric cars push the pollution over the the power plants
Hybrid cars push the pollution to the battery factories
Solar cells push the pollution to the silicon distillers
Wind generators use aluminum, which again pushes pollution back to a smelter or power plant.
A gravity fed water wheel is about as close as you can get to pollution free energy. |
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rradina
join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
| Regarding the shift, I agree but architecturally, it's easier to regulate and control the pollution produced at a few power plants (or other factories) than it is to control the pollution on millions of cars or personal generators.
That said, the power plants/factories are very well represented from a lobbying perspective. |
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fireflier
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join:2001-05-25
Limbo | reply to cableties
I suspect super caps are better but probably only marginally.
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| reply to ricep5
said by ricep5 :There are no alternative power sources that don't pollute. Even solar cells and wind generators and water turbines create pollution when they are built. You simply push the pollution to another locale. Electric cars push the pollution over the the power plants Hybrid cars push the pollution to the battery factories Solar cells push the pollution to the silicon distillers Wind generators use aluminum, which again pushes pollution back to a smelter or power plant. A gravity fed water wheel is about as close as you can get to pollution free energy. So how do we reduce pollution, birth rate limits or human extermiantion? |
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ricep5
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| Depends on how you define pollution.
Per Al Gore, CO2 (carbon dioxide) is the predominant form of pollution, yet human activities only create 3% of the worlds output of CO2. The rest is done by nature.
So do you suppress human activities or nature? Technically, by Big Al's definition the Earth would have to cease to exist if pollution was to stop.
An inconvenient truth perhaps? |
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Tom517
join:2006-07-13
Greenville, SC
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"A gravity fed water wheel is about as close as you can get to pollution free energy."
And of course, most power companies are trying to discontinue hydroelectric generation in favor of fossil fuel and nuclear facilities. I guess it's OK if the salmon glow when they swim upstream. |
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