fiberguy
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Re: im not impressed at all
In my opionion, until DSL technology can reach everyone and have some kind of a uniform deployment across the network, the technology will be worth nothing more than it is today.. internet surfing.
Until they fiber up the area, which is going to be telco's only true entrance into competition with cable, or lay coax - which would be stupid to a point, these little announcements are kinda like the little kid running in the house saying something like "mommy, look what I did!"....and mom says "that's nice johnny.. no go back out and play".
I would be more impressed if DSL was able to deploy high speeds to the entire footprint at a sync rate equal in speeds everywhere. |
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jackknife
join:2001-02-24
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| In my opinion, until cable technology can reach everyone and have some kind of a uniform deployment across the network, the technology will be worth nothing more than it is today.. watching television.
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tiger72
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said by fiberguy  :I would be more impressed if DSL was able to deploy high speeds to the entire footprint at a sync rate equal in speeds everywhere. They already can. Aparently, most users don't consider 192kbps internet "broadband"
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to jackknife
It works all ways...
DSL = Cheap Internet surfing
Cable = decent priced all in one (where it exists)
Satellite = Best value TV |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | Satellite is not always the best value in TV. Look at what they charge for adding packages and the equipment. Especially with DVR, and Local channels are extra, and don't forget the contract. |
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fiberguy
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join:2005-05-20
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"Aparently, most users don't consider 192kbps internet "broadband""
And by all legal definitions, neither does the government...
And why would you lie? Please explain how telephone can deply to their entire network when they have a reach of circa 15K feet from the Co or RT. How come, to this day, there are still homes in neigborhoods that are too far to be serviced by DSL?
Having the technology to deply and having it deployed are two different things. To this day, speeds are still distance dependant, so please, tell me, how are they able to sync up all modems at the same speeds again? My niegbor down the street can only sync at 256k because she is just WAY too far to get anything more. |
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fiberguy
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Um, next time save your keyboard the un-necessary wear and tear would ya? 
Cable CAN modems can already reach the entire foot print. DSL can't.
Let's not mud up the conversation to be an anti-cable person or being a telephone fanboy, ok?
The conversation is about DSL technology. What does cable have to do with it other than me making a comment of their competitor?
Cable, a private industry not classified as a utility like telephone service, doesn't need to reach every single ma and pa home planted in the middle of no where like TELEPHONE POTS services do. I still don't see DSL in those areas either.
Cable DOES sync at the same rate through out their foot print unlike DSL.
Your cute attempt to butcher my comments failed a miserable death - just as the current DSL technology which has served it's purpose for the phone company.. it's time for them to go start deploying fiber and dumping DSL as they do.
Please, tell me where any DSL deployment can sync the same system wide and isn't dependant on distance? Until they can overcome that hurdle, I won't be impressed. At this point, their continued attempts to use DSL technology over technology avaialble that is far superior just shows that they are not serious about competing.
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana
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Tainted Love
The NSA-AT&T wiretapping/records affair has ruined my anticipation for UVerse. There's a new VRAD box less than 200 feet from my home -- and I can't stand the sight of it. Were it not for my wife's insistence on our AT&T local phone number -- I'd be back on cable/VoIP right now. Death to the the Death Star! (and keep your new toy)
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hottboiinnc
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Cleveland, OH | Port your number from them to who ever you want. |
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Matthew
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join:2001-08-03
Emmett, ID
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Re: im not impressed at all
fiberguy , Just curious here, don't mean to romp on your little telco stomp.
Why doesn't your neighbor who can only get 256 DSL get Cable Modem? Does the Cable Foot Print not darker her door step, or is the service just That Bad?
Whats the difference between telco not deploying everywhere, and cable not deploying everywhere? Information services are not currently a utility. |
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maartena
Stacked.
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join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
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said by en102 :It works all ways... Satellite = Best value TV Unless you are like me and use HBO On Demand and Showtime On Demand all the time. Satellite has no On Demand options.
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china crisis
join:2003-05-28
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said by Matthew : fiberguy Just curious here, don't mean to romp on your little telco stomp. Why doesn't your neighbor who can only get 256 DSL get Cable Modem? Does the Cable Foot Print not darker her door step, or is the service just That Bad? Whats the difference between telco not deploying everywhere, and cable not deploying everywhere? Information services are not currently a utility. The difference is the technology. If that person could get cable, it would be speeds with no matter of location. |
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fiberguy
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join:2005-05-20
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Telephone romp? Since when does anyone speaking against the graet kindom of telephone around here mark you an outcast around here? Truth hurt maybe?
Anyway - cable is available. But the question of why doesn't matter in this thread. The point is that telephone can't provide a uniform speed with-in their network.
As to why she has DSL and not cable? Don't know and really don't care. However, it can be possibly because DSL has been in Minneapolis MN longer than MOST cities in the US since it was tested here back in the MID-90s. Starting speeds here were 256/256 from US West. So, maybe she's an early adopter? Cable modem service didn't really start in the TC area until about 2000, at least 2-way service that is.
I generally don't go around sparking up conversations about broadband with people or friends. I believe that we are all capable for seeking out answers; many just don't care to look. And, often when I did used to make mention of "something better is out there" I am often replied with "but I like what I have, I know it, and it works for me".. again, another example of why price and speeds really don't always play factor to everyone.
You said: "Whats the difference between telco not deploying everywhere, and cable not deploying everywhere? Information services are not currently a utility."
... so did I. |
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Matthew
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join:2001-08-03
Emmett, ID
| I still fail to see how common sync rate throughout the network makes cable "superior."
It was the irony of your neighbor keeping DSL at only 256 vs using your Superior technology that was too ripe to leave on the vine without taking a bite.
Your right, I don't generally go around sparking up conversation with friends, family, neighbors about broadband. I'm not in $ales. But, said family, friends, and neighbors do talk to me about it when they have questions.
Fiber is greater than Copper (or Coax), both in potential and cost. Greater cost does not always equal the best investment. I like fiber, but if I can get competitive services at a lower cost, why wouldn't I?
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
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said by fiberguy :In my opionion... in my opinion, if they are not laying fiber to the home, it's outdated technology.
Apparently, AT&T is going to milk their copper last mile for all it's worth. |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
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'My niegbor down the street can only sync at 256k because she is just WAY too far to get anything more.'
Since you don't talk about broadband with her, how do you know it isn't available and she just doesn't want more? |
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ib50MbSoon
Formerly TwoKDialup
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join:2002-06-07
Coloma, MI
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said by fiberguy : (snip)... How come, to this day, there are still homes in neigborhoods that are too far to be serviced by DSL? Yah, American Telegraph should change their slogan to read
"Your world. Delivered...to 12k feet."
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fiberguy
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join:2005-05-20
| reply to Matthew
Toaster, before I consider this threat toast, please tell me where I used the word "superior" in which you not only bolded, but italicized too. And why are you gooing off on a tanget that means nothing about what I said in the first place? Are you bored?
My first and only comment was that until telephone can deliver a common speed to it's entire footprint, and not hit and miss speeds to about 70% of it's wired service area, all of these news tidbits about speeds and sync rates don't impress me.
Do you even know WHY DSL was pushed by the phone originally? It was for the desire to deploy their video service/video on demand serices (aka, cable tv).. in about 15 years, has it worked? If you want to get into a battle of cable internet vs DSL technology, cable internet has surpassed DSL by far in the short time it's been around and it's still getting better and better all the time, TO IT'S ENTIRE FOOTPRINT.
The point that I originally made, until you telco fanboys came in and spun it to high hell, is that if telephone wants to be a serious competitor in the market against cable tv, they are going to have to put their best foot forward, stop chasing their tails, and knock off this old technology that isn't going to serve their entire foot print. Verizon gets it, but at&t doesn't.
So, if you want to make a point, do you think you can stick to my original post above and stop spinnning it? Think you can stop hijacking my thread with your anti-cable spin? Really, there are pleanty of forums to bash cable - pick one. |
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fiberguy
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join:2005-05-20
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said by bogey780 :Since you don't talk about broadband with her, how do you know it isn't available and she just doesn't want more? Do you even realize how wrong that sounds? Just because I don't sit around with her talking about broadband like some people might like to do (as it sounds from the level of emotion you have about it) doesn't mean I don't know what's available. (maybe in my line of work, it often comes across my days work load to know the layout of broadband availability) For one, have you ever heard of a qualification tool? Though I may be *curious* about it, doesn't mean I feel the need to worry about someone else's broadband service and speeds. If she felt the need to discuss it with me, she would.
And, really, what does any of what you say have to do with my point.
My point is very simple, AND VALID, so stop trying to spin it... let me make it easier for you, ok?.....
* does dsl sycn up at the same speed based on distance from the CO or RT in any given installation or are speeds distant dependant? *
It's an easy question. When you have answered it, all the spinning you are trying on my original point will become invalid.
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fiberguy
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join:2005-05-20
| reply to nasadude
What I don't understand is that they know it's going to need to be fiber in the future, most likely NEAR future, if they want to remain a player.
All the money they are putting into research and testing and deployment is wasted money. If they put that money towards fiber and just did it right the first time, they would actually save money in the future. How much? Every penny they are dumping into a technology that will not carry them that long. |
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