Derch
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join:2004-10-16
Tulsa, OK | Let's play the number game!`
"fewer than 19,000 customers"
Which means in normal non-corporate terms, millions. AT&T is one of the largest telco's in the country... one would think they would have an endless supply of security barriers. |
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GemSnake
Premium
join:2000-10-19
3rd layer
clubs: 
| said by Derch  :"fewer than 19,000 customers" Which means in normal non-corporate terms, millions. Wrong! Only those who used the webstore are affected. Definitely not millions.
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raythompsontn
join:2001-01-11
Oliver Springs, TN
| reply to Derch
said by Derch :"fewer than 19,000 customers" Which is also the same as "more than 18,000 customers". It is all in how you present it. |
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ARGONAUT
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join:2006-01-24
New Albany, IN | If it was 19,001 I would be concerned. |
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voyager6868
join:2003-01-29
Lynnwood, WA | Fewer than 19,000 = 18,999 |
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guitarzan
Premium
join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA
 ·epix
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One would tend to think, the NSA/ATT would have tighter security measures in place, in addition to a superb perimeter defense. Which would look as if its a virtual impenetrable fortress 
And the Gov. wants backdoors built into all modems and routers? Not hard to imagine the resulting mayhem and chaos, that nightmare will "open up". Which would = technology, take three steps backwards. Hackers take three steps forward.
It appears the hackers have the edge, because they can hack whatever best shot is thrown at them. I'm not a hacker fan or supporter by posting this: Its rather obvious the smartest people are not in or running for office, nor are they employed at large corporations.
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Sly
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join:2004-02-20
Johnson City, TN
clubs: | reply to voyager6868
Fewer than 19000 = "oh it's not that big of a problem!" /pr guys idiotic attempt at brushing this one under the rug |
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owlhooter
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join:2002-01-19
Wylie, TX
| reply to Derch
Well if you look up the IP of sbcdslstore.com you will see that it's owned by Moduslink
OrgName: ModusLink Corporation
OrgID: MODUS-2
Address: Worldwide Corporate Headquarters
So, to say it was completely in AT&T's hands might be a bit far off. It was more of a supplier leak than a telco giant leak. Still not the best thing to happen for a companies PR though. |
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Fatal Vector
join:2005-11-26 | reply to guitarzan
Ummm...It's CRACKERS, not hackers. There's a distinction in meanings between the words and the glib use of the word hacker all the time shows how brainwashed even the computer "elite" is by the media and government. |
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reasearchit
@verizon.net
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With a little bit of research (obtaining IP from sbcdslstore.com and looking it up in ARIN) you can see that the IP belongs to
OrgName: ModusLink Corporation
OrgID: MODUS-2
Address: Worldwide Corporate Headquarters
Address: 1100 Winter Street
Address: Suite 4600
City: Waltham
StateProv: MA
PostalCode: 02451
Country: US
Which is a separate company that provides the equipment to AT&T. So in essence, it wasn't an AT&T breach, it was a supplier breach. |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
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said by Fatal Vector :Ummm...It's CRACKERS, not hackers. There's a distinction in meanings between the words and the glib use of the word hacker all the time shows how brainwashed even the computer "elite" is by the media and government. That's an old debate but who cares what they are "called".. they broke into the system.. some say they "hacked" into the network and some say cracked. In the end, circa 19k users credit card information is gone and probably on the black market in Russia already with all the rest of the data from the U.S. that gets "stolen"...
Companies like AT&T should know better. Seems these stories pop up about once a week any more.
Where is congress to crack down on some real issues that threaten our people, the ones they are supposed to represent, on a daily basis? Oh, I know.. they are more worried about who can marry who, if the flag can be burned, and all the other 'social' feel good issues that don't matter one bit.
I wonder if these people know what it's like to have to spend several yeras of your financial life getting it back in order after your personal info is stolen. The loss of use of credit or good credit. Having to pay cash for everything. Having to fend off abusive debt collectors for bills that aren't even yours. (Let's not being into account how debt collectors also like to screw with your financial data too - another conversation sometime) and if these people know what it's like to have to pay twice for your home than others, all becuase they didn't apply laws where they are most needed; to protect people's stability - which effects the economy in the end.
Yea... two guys can't marry, I feel so much better, I mean, we're a better nation because of it. But millions of people's finacial stability are destroyed all the time. I LOVE the government.
Let's review..
AT&T
AOL
SPRINT
CITI
Federal Government
Stat of Minnesota (BIG OFFENDER)
US Bank..
the list goes on... all companies that have had personal inforamtion leaked or stolen. I would be less shocked if it was ma and pop companies loosing information. My companies seem to be able to hold data secure, why can't AT&T?
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
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said by owlhooter :Well if you look up the IP of sbcdslstore.com you will see that it's owned by Moduslink OrgName: ModusLink Corporation OrgID: MODUS-2 Address: Worldwide Corporate Headquarters So, to say it was completely in AT&T's hands might be a bit far off. It was more of a supplier leak than a telco giant leak. Still not the best thing to happen for a companies PR though. Doesn't matter. AT&T has made the relationship between that other company, they need to make sure that the 3rd party is handling the data correctly. To the customer, they see AT&T, not ModusLink Corp. I, as an AT&T customer, could give a ratt's as*s less who the 3rd aprty is.. MY vendor is AT&T.
When comcast hired a contractor to handle some isntallation work and the guy beat a woman, everyone went after Comcast, as they should. Same thing here. I don't care who the contractor is, the buck stops with the company you pay/hire.. in this case, people hired AT&T to handle their communications needs and that's where the buck stops.
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guitarzan
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join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA | reply to Fatal Vector
You're right Fatal, sorry about the loose glib use of improper terminology.  |
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LRB
@saccounty.net | reply to guitarzan
I always thought the Drums were the heartbeat of a band, everyone in the band relies on them to keep rythym, timing etc..  |
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owlhooter
Premium,VIP
join:2002-01-19
Wylie, TX
| reply to fiberguy
I don't disagree with you. Obviously AT&T is taking the blame for it and trying to make good with the people that were affected. I was just pointing out that it wasn't like the DSL customer database was cracked, it's just the third party vendors site that was cracked. Still it is AT&T's customers that are affected and I wouldn't think of anyone else for the customer to blame than AT&T. Just wanted people to realize the scope of people affected isn't as large as it would have been had an actual AT&T database been cracked. |
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